Tysha's New Man Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 What I could never understand was how Ned knew where the ToJ was and when he found that out. I assume he didn't learn of it before the Battle of the Trident because he would've rode straight there instead of King's Landing. I assume he didn't learn of it in King's Landing because, again, he would've rode straight there instead of Storm's End and he was with Robert. If Robert truly loved her, wouldn't he have rode there himself to save her? I don't understand how the Tyrells could've known about the ToJ since their forces have remained at Storm's End for the duration of the war. I don't know if I'm missing something so obvious or it still remains a mystery. Any help anyone can give me would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Maybe people saw Prince Rhaegar leave and gossip spread?If you're the famous prince of Westeros and heir to the Iron Throne, you won't be very inconspicuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Howland Reed's greendreams is my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Howland Reed's greendreams is my guess Either this, or Ashara told him where they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Hightower found them, no reason Ned couldn't, the common folk know what go's on near their own homes, and I'm sure they talk about it when the prince strolls by with a woman who's not his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Santa of House Claus Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I would also imagine he learned in King's Landing, but went to Storm's End first because it was his duty and not really out of the way. Wether Lyanna was there out of love is debatable, but as Rhaegar was dead, she was likely as safe there as anywhere, considering who was guarding her. It is not like those men would have been hurting or raping her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Either this, or Ashara told him where they were. I think this is it. And she killed herself out of guilt, as Ned killed her brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Howland Reed's greendreams is my guess Either this, or Ashara told him where they were. Or perhaps someone else (like Varys). That was my assumption. After the deaths of Elia, Rhaenys, and (supposedly) Aegon, Eddard Stark blew up at Robert and they almost shed each others blood over it. Then Eddard rides off the finish the war and get his sister back - without Robert. Ned may have considered that it would be a bad idea to tell Robert where she was, even if he knew. Or perhaps whoever told him wanted to make sure it was Eddard, and not Robert, who found her. (And that's why I consider Varys to be one potential source, because there would need to be a lot of descretion to keep it from the new king.) Mind you, perhaps three members of the Kingsguard are somewhat conspicuous, and it required only a bit of asking around to find out where they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Charles of Rosehaven Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 So he had no GPS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watcher_inthe_Woods Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I often wondered if Ned had gotten some intel (or confirmation of previous intel) on Lyanna's whereabouts from Donal Noye. Even after losing his arm at the Siege of Storm's End he was clearly a very capable man and even if he felt he couldn't serve House Baratheon anymore, I'm sure there would be plenty of opportunities for work in other Houses....but he sends himself to The Wall instead and becomes Castle Black's armorer and smith....not to mention his heroic stance in the tunnel against Mag the Mighty. Anyway, the thing that always made me go "hmmmm...." on my rereads was how Donal worded the following after giving Jon the talk about being a brat in the practice yard "Words won't make your mother a whore. She was what she was, and nothing Toad says can change that. You know, we have men on the Wall whose mothers were whores."AGOT Jon III That last sentence makes me wonder if he in fact knew a lot more about what was going on 15 or so years ago.....and taking himself to the Wall was a good way to...well.....hide or whatever. I don't know how he would have gotten any info to pass on to Ned :dunno: ....just a hunch I've had for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 According to Meera, Howland isn't a green dreamer so he's unlikely to have been the one to provide the info on where Lyanna was. Otherwise, it's just one of those unanswered questions. There isn't enough information right now to do more than just speculate who specifically told Ned. Though I'm not sure it is something super important or mysterious in the long run. Their location was likely just known by at least a couple of people other than the ones in the group. Hightower didn't seem to have any troubles finding them when Aerys sent him to get Rhaegar to return to KL. A couple of KG, a prince, and highborn lady, and whatever entourage they had with them is almost impossible to keep completely hidden. Someone's going to see them, someone's going to talk. And that's not even considering whether or not Rhaegar had some sort of plan in case things went to shit. Maybe he mentioned it to his squire or something, or his squire was one who had been with him at the TOJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Varys, Ashara, Howland Reed...many different possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Hmmmmmmmm, it is said that GRRM has intimated that the last word on Rhaegar's dying lips was the name Lyanna. I have to wonder, who heard him say that (Ned? possibly) and did he disclose a location to someone before he died? All the ideas above are possible, I just wonder if a dying Rhaegar, or a Rhaegar before the battle with Robert.......could be one of the possibilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revenant6 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 AGOT Jon III That last sentence makes me wonder if he in fact knew a lot more about what was going on 15 or so years ago.....and taking himself to the Wall was a good way to...well.....hide or whatever. I don't know how he would have gotten any info to pass on to Ned :dunno: ....just a hunch I've had for a while Nice catch. I'm with you - seems a little suspicious. Too bad Donal left us too soon. I also love the Howland theory. And the Ashara one, too. And as long as I'm saying I love stuff, the OP is great, too. I've always assumed that Ned heard where the rest of the Kingsguard was and went there. The presence of the Kingsguard suggest the king or prince was there, and if the prince had Lyanna, that's where she'd be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think this is it. And she killed herself out of guilt, as Ned killed her brother. This is where we disagree. I think she's still alive and the suicide story is a well-conceived cover for the truth (whatever that is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 So he had no GPS? I'm picturing Ned pressing a button on his horse to contact On*Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathYon Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 So we can all agree that it was either Ashara Dayne, Howland Reed, or Varys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tysha's New Man Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 I agree about Varys but wouldn't Varys have told Robert as well? Wouldn't he have taken off for the ToJ? I'm not clear about greendreams so I'm not an expert about what Howland Reed could or could not have done but anything is possible in GRRMs world. I'm foggy on Ashara, didn't he see her only at Harrenhal? Wasn't that a year before Rhaegar and Lyanna disappeared? How could she have known and told Ned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan1213 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well, Robert was injured and Ned got to KL first. I think I'll jump on the Varys boat. Who else would know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Perhaps that's how Varys bought his life after the sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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