Brynden Blackfish Jr. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 House Umber's sigil is a giant breaking out of its chains, which I am almost convinced is foreshadowing the Greatjon's escape from the Twins. The Greatjon is a giant of a man in his own right and is currently locked up in chains at the Twins. Another sigil I noticed has a lot of significance, at least for its historical parallel to heraldy used in the Wars of Roses, is the Tyrell rose. I think it is also a foreshadowing device- roses don't survive the winter, but direwolves sure as hell do, and winter is about to arrive in Westeros. I think the Tyrells have reached the peak of their power and they won't survive winter. I look at Margaery Tyrell and see close parallels to Anne Boleyn, who experienced a meteoric rise to power and dramatic downfall and execution. I think Margaery and her family, like the Boleyns, have amassed too much power and will suffer for it. Stannis's sigil is a burning stag, which I believe might also be foreshadowing his fate, but I am not sure yet. The title of the seventh book is supposed to be A Dream of Spring, which sounds pretty ominous to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can you think of any sigils whose foreshadowing already came to pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilos Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I wish the Northern Lords had read this thread before they decided to allow the Boltons to come with them to war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well... Robert got horned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can you think of any sigils whose foreshadowing already came to pass?Robb's personal sigil.Tully sigil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 um. ahem. the stark sigil is the head of a direwolf. the head. ned was decapitated, as was robb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Robb's personal sigil.Tully sigil not sure if i was ninja'd or not but the tully is a good catch (har har) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Why the tullys? Red and blue for the blood in the river? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Why the tullys? Red and blue for the blood in the river? they did throw her in the river after death, so she technically was, a dead fish in the water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pelambres Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 um. ahem. the stark sigil is the head of a direwolf. the head. ned was decapitated, as was robb Actually, the head sigil is from the show, in the books the sigil is the whole direwolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 hmm.... arryn sigil: Lysa Arryn did "fly" through the "moon" door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 i wonder if theon, or any of the greyjoys over the course of the books, will become captain of the gold cloaks (gold kraken) at the end lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammoth Slayer Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Will the Greatjon escape? I hope so. The lion is the king of the jungle, and at present the Lannisters are holding onto the throne. But the Targaryans may end up with three dragons again. I think that you might be onto something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynden Blackfish Jr. Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can you think of any sigils whose foreshadowing already came to pass? Right now the Tully sigil is the one that comes to mind, with Catelyn's body being thrown into the river after the Red Wedding, but others have already mentioned that. The show adds some pretty clever foreshadowing not seen in the books, such as when Tywin skins the stag and fishes for trout before Renly's death and the Red Wedding, respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Martell: in the sun, the snake is eating its own tail, as in it's his own destruction. Oberyn did pretty much do himself in, in all that confidence and need for closure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bowie Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I like the idea that the sigil and the words of the houses show that their greatest strength it's actually their downfall. So far the Tyrells are growing strong in their hunger for power, something that I think will backfire soon. The proud Lannisters that want to maintain their power but just dig their graves thinking they are so much better than everyone else and despises good counsel. The Arryns that forgot honor when it was needed the most. The Starks who should be worried about Winter (capital W)... I'm digressing, but maybe their symbolism is just what it is, plain and simple. The Stag is eaten by the Lion. The Eagle just fly around. The Kraken is extinct. The Sun is just there, shining at day time. The Rose is delicate and a southland thing. The Direwolf is a strong winter beast. The Trout swims oblivious. The Freys are a double cross. The three-headed Dragon is the ultimate creature that subjects all of them. Sometimes a pipe is just a pipe, but I do think they reflect not only their personality but also the end game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 they did throw her in the river after death, so she technically was, a dead fish in the waterIsn't the trout leaping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Stannis' sigil is the stag being practically devoured by the fiery heart, echoing his vision of a king burning with crown of fire But in sigils that most definitely don't represent a House: the Florent fox, cause none of them is smart in any way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 But in sigils that most definitely don't represent a House: the Florent fox, cause none of them is smart in any wayBut they are encircled by flowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 But they are encircled by flowers. Right, good catch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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