Jon and theon's relationship

[ToTheWolves]

I'm pretty sure it was probably lightly touched on in the books, but I can't really exactly recall, but do any of you guys have any insight or thoughts on how jon and Theon's relationship probably was growing up? Or do you think they just didn't intetact that much?

[lady jellybean]

I always got the feeling they didnt like each other. jon did call him an ass at the execution of the NW man (after theon kicked the head). Jon was also a smart ass to theon when they find the direwolf pups.

And well theon was just an ass.

[James Arryn]

I could just be thinking of Cat or Sansa, but I THINK I remember something about Theon never letting Jon forget he's a bastard.

That could be Theon not wanting to be the lowest rung, or it could be competition for Robb's time/affection.

[Minsc]

IIRC, Theon remembers jealously once how he felt Jon was treated with greater respect then him.

[Jslay427]

Jon and Theon both felt that the other was accorded more honor and respect than themselves. And Theon pre Reek was pretty easy for someone like Jon to dislike. Theon on the other hand felt like Jon was below him

[The Wolves]

Theon said that Jon has always been sullen and quick to remember slights and jealous of him. Also he's said Jon was treated with more respect than him which is stupid and arrogance at his highest.

Jon just never liked Theon he said he was an "ass"

[BRANDON GREYSTARK]

Jealous of each other .

[Universal Sword Donor]

Theon used to give Jon wet willies. If you thought Aeron and the squeaky hinges was bad, you have no idea about how bad Jon had it.

[l2 0 5 5]

I think Theon just gave Robb all of the attention and that, plus being a bastard, was enough for Jon to not care for him. That probably created a self-fulfilling prophecy in Jon's mind, and anything Theon did just irked him.

Theon does recount in DwD that he, Robb, Jon, and Jory would practice in the yard. They probably interacted on most days, but it was just more formal than Robb/Theon.

[mdw4950]

from what i remember there wasnt a lot of interaction with the two but they didnt seem to like each other. dont really remember anything sparking their dislike specifically. they were both in kind of the same situation so i got the impression they were more like rivals.

theon was older than jon but all they both wanted was to fit in with the starks. to me, it seemed like more of a rivalry for robbs attention. i could be completely wrong here but i got the impression that theon was actually closer with robb than jon was. the main difference though was robb still seemed to view jon as more of a brother yet he reminded theon a couple times that he wasnt a stark at all.

theon saw himself as a prince and jon as a bastard. jon saw himself as still half stark and theon as basically a prisoner of war from a struggling family. they each felt like they were above the other.

probably more than anything though, they just had two very different personalities. theon was always smiling and arrogant where jon was more quiet and kind of angry.

[James Arryn]

from what i remember there wasnt a lot of interaction with the two but they didnt seem to like each other. dont really remember anything sparking their dislike specifically. they were both in kind of the same situation so i got the impression they were more like rivals.

theon was older than jon but all they both wanted was to fit in with the starks. to me, it seemed like more of a rivalry for robbs attention. i could be completely wrong here but i got the impression that theon was actually closer with robb than jon was. the main difference though was robb still seemed to view jon as more of a brother yet he reminded theon a couple times that he wasnt a stark at all.

Yeah, from Robb's POV, the relationship with Theon was a lot less complicated/loaded with implications. He's the somewhat older sarcastic anti-establishment kid. If he beats you in a bout, no biggie, he's older and should win most of the time anyways. If you bitch about your parents or sisters, there's no chance it comes back on you, and in fact jokes probably answer. So, basically, Theon and being Theon's friend are 'cool'.

Whereas with Jon it's a minefield. Always worrying if you're going to upset Jon or your mother by getting along with the other, always being measured against one another without enough age gap to explain it, seeing your father's image looking back at you far more than any mirror, and the whole 'bastard/claim' un-conversation.

It wouldn't surprise me if Jon felt like the 5th wheel with Robb, whereas Theon felt the outsider when Ned was around, and everything in between was a mixture ( other than generally bad reviews all around from Cat)

[The Holy Goat]

Their relationship seemed rather cool and distant, and they were probably mostly indifferent to eachother, with Robb being their foremost connection. Aside from their issues regarding their precieved status in the Stark household: Jon disliked Theon being an ass, Theon disliked Jon being so close to Robb - but I do not think there were that much open animosity. They sparred with eachother and such but it was probably all business and no joviality.

[TrueOrFalse]

Jon was jealous of Theon's highborn status. Theon was jealous of Jon's good relationship with his father and siblings.

I think both wanted what the other had.

[Julia H.]

"An albino," Theon Greyjoy said with wry amusement. "This one will die even faster than the others."

This is Bran's POV, not Jon's, so even Bran at six noticed the "wry amusement" with which Theon said those words.

At the welcome feast during Robert's visit when Jon is sitting on the bench while Theon is taking part in the procession.

Theon ignored him utterly, but there was nothing new in that.

When Jon hears of the destruction of Winterfell:

Jon had never liked Theon Greyjoy, but he had been their father's ward. ... They can't be dead. Theon would never do that.

Later, during the siege of Castle Black, Jon remembers Theon's skills at archery.

It seems they never liked each other, but to Jon Theon was still "part of the pack", irregular as he was (as, in fact, both of them were). It happens that you don't like someone but you are still aware of belonging to the same community, so you expect that you would join forces against outsiders, and that seems to be reflected in Jon's thoughts about Theon before and during the siege of Castle Black.

[Lord Kevan]

I don't think they care of each other. Jon dislike Theon smartass attitude, and Theon was too arrogant to give credit to the little bastard. And that stop here, I guess.

[dbunting]

Mutual dislike. Both thought the other was treated better than them. I would always side with Jon due to Theon kicking the head with laughter. To me that shows his lack of basic human respect.

[unitron]

In a way, it doesn't matter.

They could have been bestest buds, but the taking of Winterfell and the supposed murder of Bran and Rickon are all Jon needs to know to decide how he feels about him now.

[l2 0 5 5]

Geographically they're in the same area as each other. Should be interesting to see a possible reunion. Perhaps Theon tells Jon about the fate of Bran and Rickon before Stannis.

[sj4iy]

They both disliked one another because they were jealous of each other...but both really wanted the same thing: to be a Stark.

I think this sums up Theon's feelings about Jon the best:

"Theon shivered. Baratheon or Bolton, it made no matter to him. Stannis had made common cause with Jon Snow at the Wall, and Jon would take his head off in a heartbeat. Plucked from the clutches of one bastard to die at the hands of another, what a jape. Theon would have laughed aloud if he’d remembered how."

[Gregor Clegane's head]

The only Stark who seemed to like Theon was Robb. The rest don't have any opinion on him and Jon just seems to think Theon was more respected. Jon and Theon were both being stupid thinking the other was better regarded. One was an hostage the other an bastard both were probably equally frowned upon and loved by Robb.