Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 As we all know, after receiving Robb's letter, Balon crowned himself again and attacked the Westerlands.If Balon, for some reason, attacked the North instead of the Westerlands (but still crowned himself), what do you think would have happened to Robb, Theon, and the North? Huh? He did attack the North in 299 ACDBWI=Double-blind What IfExample: What if the US won the Cold War?What if the Germans lost WWII? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Nothing would have happened to Robb he would have been a small child at Winterfell. Theon would have been a slightly larger child at Pyke. Maybe they wouldn't have been as close, when Theon was a ward, if the Iron Born had killed a lot of Northmen but who knows. I suppose he may have been fostered at Casterly Rock if Ned didn't want him. As for Balon, his rebellion would have been crushed even quicker since he would have had the Lannister fleet to contend with in addition to the Stannis and the Redwynes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 I mean, in 299 AC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singer's stew Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 He would be cruched even faster and this time his head would roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I mean, in 299 AC. Huh? He did attack the North in 299 AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Huh? He did attack the North in 299 ACDBWI=Double-blind What IfExample: What if the US won the Cold War?What if the Germans lost WWII? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Then what are you asking? What could have been different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Then what are you asking? What could have been different? Oh, sweet summer child... The entire Ironborn campaign had thousands of variables. He would be cruched even faster and this time his head would roll Why? Who would crush him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Is the point of this thread that things could have gone differently? If so propose some of those alternatives. Otherwise this is a complete waste of time. Also don't use Double Blind What If (DBWI) as if it's a term everyone is supposed to know. Google can barely provide an answer as too what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Is the point of this thread that things could have gone differently? If so propose some of those alternatives. Otherwise this is a complete waste of time. Also don't use Double Blind What If (DBWI) as if it's a term everyone is supposed to know. Google can barely provide an answer as to what it means. 1. For instance, think about Theon taking Winterfell, or even attacking the North. Theon taking Winterfell depended on 1) The Tallharts being scared of a few dozen men they easily outnumber 2) The WF garrison leaving their capital virtually unprotected, taking more than a thousand soldiers to defeat eighty Ironborn besieging a very strong castle 3) Theon not being spotted in the Wolfswood 4) Theon successfully taking WF alive 5) Theon not leaving with the Stark kids 2. This is a "complete waste of time" about as much as every other What If thread. 3. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civility Reigns Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Theon would betray Robb, take Winterfell, get captured and tortured by some guy named Ramsay, Robb's war effort would be compromised, and Balon falls off a bridge. Crazy I know, but it just might happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 For instance, think about Theon taking Winterfell, or even attacking the North. Theon taking Winterfell depended on 1) The Tallharts being scared of a few dozen men they easily outnumber 2) The WF garrison leaving their capital virtually unprotected, taking more than a thousand soldiers to defeat eighty Ironborn besieging a very strong castle 3) Theon not being spotted in the Wolfswood 4) Theon successfully taking WF alive 5) Theon not leaving with the Stark kids This is a "complete waste of time" about as much as every other What If thread. No? No because the OPs of those threads usually propose something specific. LIke if in your OP you said "what would have happened if Theon didn't take Winterfell." That would be an actual starting point to a discusion, but some obscure alternate history jargon and a general inquiry about anything and everything that could have been different isn't a very productive way to start a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 No because the OPs of those threads usually propose something specific. LIke if in your OP you said "what would have happened if Theon didn't take Winterfell." That would be an actual starting point to a discusion, but some obscure alternate history jargon and a general inquiry about anything and everything that could have been different isn't a productive way to start a discussion. Agree to disagree. Most sites seem to do perfectly fine with DBWIs, which are in their nature fundamentally the same as normal What If situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Theon would betray Robb, take Winterfell, get captured and tortured by some guy named Ramsay, Robb's war effort would be compromised, and Balon falls off a bridge. Crazy I know, but it just might happen. I don't think it would be possible to take Winterfell, remember there was a huge garrison in there and it is a very strong castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civility Reigns Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I don't think it would be possible to take Winterfell, remember there was a huge garrison in there and it is a very strong castle. Winterfell's garrison could be sent to fight the Ironborn invaders in an emergency, leaving the castle lightly defended. Plus, I'm sure grappling hooks were available at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Winterfell's garrison could be sent to fight the Ironborn invaders in an emergency, leaving the castle lightly defended. Plus, I'm sure grappling hooks were available at this time. That's possible, I guess. But would Theon really betray the Starks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Agree to disagree. Most sites seem to do perfectly fine with DBWIs, which are in their nature fundamentally the same as normal What If situations. Seems unnecessarily confusing to me. I have no problem with "what if" threads but doesn't a specific difference from the actual timeline need to be put forward in order for there to be a discussion? Also if they're fundamentally the same then what is their value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Seems unnecessarily confusing to me. I have no problem with "what if" threads but doesn't a specific difference from the actual timeline need to be put forward in order for there to be a discussion? Also if they're fundamentally the same then what is their value? 1. No, because in war there are many variables, and it's generally agreed that the ACOK Ironborn campaign was one of the most unrealistic parts of the series, so this is in essence a discussion about what the most logical thing would have been. 2. See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 1. No, because in war there are many variables, and it's generally agreed that the ACOK Ironborn campaign was one of the most unrealistic parts of the series, so this is in essence a discussion about what the most logical thing would have been. 2. See above. There are many variables in literally every situation where human choice is involved. I'm still not seeing the value of using a DBWI. I don't agree that the Ironborn campaign is the most unrealistic part of the series. Theon taking Winterfell the way he did was pretty far fetched but the attacks on Deepwood and Moat Callin seem perfectly realistic to me. What's the difference between me starting a thread saying "The Iron Born attack on the North could have gone differently...discuss" and a DBWI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Balon would have invaded and asked why this thread was created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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