ManderlysPies Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Long time lurker here, finally joining in :)Anyway, presuming R+L=J is true and comes out, would Stannis still claim to be King or would his sense of duty make him serve Jon? Given that it was Targ ties that put Robert on the throne, would Stannis acknowledge Jon as the rightful king? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 It's more complicated than that. It's not like as soon as they find out Jon is Rhaegar's son he's immediately made King. There are still Targaryen heirs (Dany and Viserys, and also probably Aegon), but they weren't given anything just because who they are. The Targaryens have a claim, which is why many people support them, but a claim is not enough: they need to recover the throne via conquest. Jon doesn't have any of that, nor is even sure that he will want to fight to get the throne or someone could use him to get power. Stannis definitely wouldn't, as he's fighting for the throne with a Baratheon claim, after his brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drunkard Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 No. First, Jon would need to prove it, and good luck with that. Second, Stannis chose his brother over Aerys, "blood over honour". He didn't go running off to Essos to put Viserys or Dany on the throne, nor would he do the same for Jon. Third, he had a vision of his crown killing him, which, unless GRRM added it purely to show us how Stannis would move forward with that knowledge, suggests Stannis' kingship will be the death of him. Fourth, that would be so lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Rock Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 No. First off, if it is true (which it isn't), then Jon would most likely not want the throne. Also, Stannis believes it belongs to him and him alone. The Targaryen dynasty has ended, so a Targaryen has no claim. Finally, as JonCon's Red Beard pointed out, Jon doesn't have the means to even claim the throne by right or conquest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kompaya Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I feel that people lack philosific edges to their theories. I mean, the Targs were overthrown and I do not see them coming back as a morally correct ending... stannis defeated the targs and will not give up his familys work just for good measure. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManderlysPies Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share Posted October 25, 2014 No. First, Jon would need to prove it, and good luck with that. Second, Stannis chose his brother over Aerys, "blood over honour". He didn't go running off to Essos to put Viserys or Dany on the throne, nor would he do the same for Jon. Third, he had a vision of his crown killing him, which, unless GRRM added it purely to show us how Stannis would move forward with that knowledge, suggests Stannis' kingship will be the death of him. Fourth, that would be so lame.1. Good point, persuading Westeros on Howland Reeds word alone would be difficult, never mind the lack of respect for Crannogmen.2. Stannis was presumably sworn to Robert so when Robert raised his banners, he didn't have a choice. By the end of the war, all Targs were dead or disappeared, so Robert did have the best claim. 3. Personally, I don't think Stannis would support Jons claim (not that Jon would even press a claim), I just wonder how Stannis would react to other Targs. I actually forgot about that vision.4. Yeah it would be lame. Having Stannis bend the knee would be awful. As much as I like him, I'd rather see him die than serve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimim Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 No. First off, if it is true (which it isn't), then Jon would most likely not want the throne. Also, Stannis believes it belongs to him and him alone. The Targaryen dynasty has ended, so a Targaryen has no claim. Finally, as JonCon's Red Beard pointed out, Jon doesn't have the means to even claim the throne by right or conquest. i don't want it to be true, as I've had it with Targs. However, it is probably true, as I can't think of an alternative. I agree that the last thing Jon is likely to do in the midst of a zombie/WW apocalypse is to add yet another King to the mix and further splinter the realm, so I doubt that he'll tell Stannis. Jon's strongest claim in the North is that, as far as anyone knows, he's Ned's last surviving adult son. Being Rhaegar's bastard wouldn't help him there, so, again, there's no reason to make his parentage public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 R+L=J does not matter WRT Stannis being the sole true king. 1. Jon is in the Night's Watch. 2. The Targaryens lost their crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Long time lurker here, finally joining in :)Anyway, presuming R+L=J is true and comes out, would Stannis still claim to be King or would his sense of duty make him serve Jon? Given that it was Targ ties that put Robert on the throne, would Stannis acknowledge Jon as the rightful king? No. At this point, no way, no how, don't ever think about it, will Stannis acknowledge a non-Stannis as a rightful monarch over him. He's too much in love with the concept of himself as a man of duty, which duty, by sheer coincidence, urges him to seek the throne. Not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 he will definatly not surrender his crown to a targ, especially jon who is only 2nd in targ sucssesion anyway, has no dragons and no golden companys, and is at the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentyn Kartell Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Long time lurker here, finally joining in :)Anyway, presuming R+L=J is true and comes out, would Stannis still claim to be King or would his sense of duty make him serve Jon? Given that it was Targ ties that put Robert on the throne, would Stannis acknowledge Jon as the rightful king? I doubt Stannis would acknowledge Jon. The Targs were overthrown thus House Baratheon became the leading house. If Tommen and Myrcella are not of Robert, that would give Stannis the heir to the throne. Why would he acknowledge a Targ? Even if R+L=J were true, it still does not give Jon the kingship as Daenarys and Aegon are still ahead of him. As in the case of Maester Aemon, it could be that Jon remains with the Night's Watch and gives up his claim to the Iron Throne. Jon would have to experience some sort of dream for him to claim Targ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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