Howland Reeds Weed Swamp Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Don't get me wrong,I love Jon and all but resurrections are becoming cheap and Jon snow being 'born admist salt and smoke' and being Azor Ahai just screams cheesiness. Also,can you blame Bowen Marsh? He's a dead man walking but Jon was forsaking his vows. Overall,Bowen Marsh has likely fucking executed the idea in bis head of the wildlings murdering the watch since Jon was the only one who could hold it together. Let people be shocked in TWoW and let Jon just stay dead,if he's resurrected,I'm going be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F The King Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Why should he stay dead? I'd say he still has more to do. If he's not the one leading the attack against the Others, I'm going to be incredibly upset. GRRM also said that Jon is going to find out who his mother is...which he can't do if he's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Somehow I don't think you actually "love Jon." GRRM has all but said that there's more to his story, e.g. that he'll find out who his parents are. But hey, have fun being pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasakka Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I'd rather have a dead Jon then an undead Jon. We have had enough resurrections in the series to be fair.. I'm fine in him staying alive, healed somehow, but please no resurrections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 GEORGE R.R. MARTIN: Oh, you think he's dead, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 "He never felt the fourth knife, only the cold..." Exactly how does one feel cold if one is dead? Jon is alive. He may die on the first page of TWoW but until then, he lives. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandwipes Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 It really would be shocking if he stayed dead in TWOW, more than the stabbing in ADWD which everyone (almost certainly rightly) considered a cliffhanger to be resolved in next book. GRRM did say Gandalf should have been left dead and that his resurrection cheapened his sacrifice. Its extremely unlikely that Jon is simply dead but GRRM has surprised me before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 There is no confirmation that he's dead. Perhaps he lives, and gets healed. I'd much prefer that to resurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecan Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 We know Jon either isn't dead or won't remain dead. Obviously, this is something George has had planned for the character from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 He's not actually dead at this point. Dead men don't 'feel cold'. He may die later, but he hasn't died in the text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howland Reeds Weed Swamp Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share Posted October 25, 2014 Somehow I don't think you actually "love Jon." GRRM has all but said that there's more to his story, e.g. that he'll find out who his parents are. But hey, have fun being pissed. Sorry,I just don't want my favourite characters constantly coming back from the dead and if Jon is lying on his deathbed with howland reed telling him who his mother is then that's ok enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Sorry,I just don't want my favourite characters constantly coming back from the dead and if Jon is lying on his deathbed with howland reed telling him who his mother is then that's ok enough. Beric (only character who was constantly revived in ASOIAF) was your favorite character? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Sorry,I just don't want my favourite characters constantly coming back from the dead and if Jon is lying on his deathbed with howland reed telling him who his mother is then that's ok enough. The problem is that there is no clue that Jon is actually dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 "He never felt the fourth knife, only the cold..." Exactly how does one feel cold if one is dead? Jon is alive. He may die on the first page of TWoW but until then, he lives. Deal with it. He's not actually dead at this point. Dead men don't 'feel cold'. He may die later, but he hasn't died in the text. Ahem...Renly would like a word with you :smug: But I agree, it would be shock factor for its own sake to kill Jon at this point. It would also be terribly cheesy to resurrect him in a cheap manner. And it would be manipulative to say "Oh, he was never dead, just wounded, but I needed a cliffhanger, LOL" So I'm basically expecting something great from GRRM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Ahem...Renly would like a word with you :smug: But I agree, it would be shock factor for its own sake to kill Jon at this point. It would also be terribly cheesy to resurrect him in a cheap manner. And it would be manipulative to say "Oh, he was never dead, just wounded, but I needed a cliffhanger, LOL" So I'm basically expecting something great from GRRM "Dead men" feel nothing...that's my point. Dying men feel cold. Jon may be dying (which is a reasonable assumption given his injuries), but he hasn't actually died at this point in the story. The very first words of the next book may be "He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold ... and then he died." Then I would consider him dead. But at this point in the text, he hasn't actually died. We haven't seen him die, and no other POV has confirmed his death. Until then, he's not dead. He can't very well remain dead when he hasn't actually died in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Jon is like a cockroach. He'll survive just about everything and keep going strong. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Jon is like a cockroach. He'll survive just about everything and keep going strong. :( Blame Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witch Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Maybe the "cold" saved him. Maybe it's something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolorous22 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Hmmm, I'm one of the few that believe he has received multiple light wounds due to a combination of armor and completely inept assailants. So, basically, I don't think he needs to be resurrected at all. I agree resurrections are LAME. I think he's destined to do more than defeat the 'others'. I see the entire North and Free Folk rallying behind him.Somehow I don't think you actually "love Jon." GRRM has all but said that there's more to his story, e.g. that he'll find out who his parents are. But hey, have fun being pissed.But mostly, this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterbumps! Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Don't get me wrong,I love Jon and all but resurrections are becoming cheap and Jon snow being 'born admist salt and smoke' and being Azor Ahai just screams cheesiness. Also,can you blame Bowen Marsh? He's a dead man walking but Jon was forsaking his vows. Overall,Bowen Marsh has likely fucking executed the idea in bis head of the wildlings murdering the watch since Jon was the only one who could hold it together.Let people be shocked in TWoW and let Jon just stay dead,if he's resurrected,I'm going be pissed. Bowen didn't stab Jon for the simple matter of oathbreaking. He stabbed Jon because Jon announced that he planned to keep fighting the winning side. that aside, there's a pretty good chance he's not dead at all. not dead = no resurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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