Mr. James Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 So I was rereading a part of book 4 recently and during the Princess in the Tower chapter Arianne very seriously considered the prospect of some of her cohorts being executed or sent to an island prison called Ghaston Grey in the sea of Dorne. Of course Arianne and her father both realize that House Martell can't afford to upset the other noble houses of Dorne so both of those options are off the table. What really struck me is that is never occurs to either her or Doran to punish people by sending them to the wall. We know of Dornishmen who have been temporarily or permanently sent across the Narrow Sea in exile, and apparently there is Ghaston Grey, but do we know of any Dornishmen who are currently brother's of the Nightswatch?I mean at the wall we have met representatives from pretty much every kingdom in Westeros, and even the Crownlands but unless I'm mistaken we have never encountered a black brother from Dorne. Do the Dornish just not send people up there, or are they just not mentioned? P.S I don't know if we have seen a man of the NW from the Westerlands but both Tyrion and Jamie have been under threat from it so I assume people from the west are sent there. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Lord Commander Qorgyle was a Dornishmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Clegane's head Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I'll figure the costs to get them to the wall would be alot so the Dornish probably just imprison or behead them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. James Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 Lord Commander Qorgyle was a Dornishmen. Okay and I also just learned that there was a minor character named Dornish Dilly who died during the battle of Castle Black. So apparently there are Dornishmen at the wall, perhaps there just are not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Lord Commander Qorgyle was a Dornishmen. + Nymeria send 6 Kings in Golden Chains to the watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Okay and I also just learned that there was a minor character named Dornish Dilly who died during the battle of Castle Black. So apparently there are Dornishmen at the wall, perhaps there just are not many. The logistics would be impossible. We are talking of thousands and thousands of kilometers. It's not rare there are so few Dornishmen, even more given the fact that they are not really as Westerosi as the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 P.S I don't know if we have seen a man of the NW from the Westerlands but both Tyrion and Jamie have been under threat from it so I assume people from the west are sent there. Thoughts? There are two characters named Hill IIRC. That's a Westerland bastard name. I think one of them could even be a Lannister bastard (he has the looks), Sweet Donnel Hill IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 The reason there may not be many Dornishmen at the wall may just come down to logistics. It's very far and would be costly to ship men there. Also Dorne joined the rest of the Seven Kingdoms relatively recently so the tradition wouldn't be as strong there as it would be in the North or Riverlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. James Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 The reason there may not be many Dornishmen at the wall may just come down to logistics. It's very far and would be costly to ship men there. Also Dorne joined the rest of the Seven Kingdoms relatively recently so the tradition wouldn't be as strong there as it would be in the North or Riverlands. Would it really be that much more expensive to ship someone from Dorne then for example the overland route from the Southern Reach or the Arbor? I mean Samwell made the trip up there and then traveled on the Cinnamon Wind along the southern coast of Dorne and back to Oldtown in book 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Sam's first trip would have been paid for by his father who is a wealthy lord. His second trip was financed by the watch. Both times he was someone of importance. If I'm a petty Lord who arrests a rapist in the middle of Dorne there's not a lot of motivation to send him to the watch. Guys like Yoren travel around recruiting and emptying dungeons so unless someone like him comes by most criminals in Dorne will just stay there. It also doesn't make a lot of sense for someone like Yoren to go to Dorne either when he can just travel up and down the Kingsroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. James Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 Good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsOfBrains Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Currently known I can think of, Dornish thst is. We do have Sweet Donnell as previous mentioned representing the westermen. Most of the black brothers these days are lowborn scum so just by their names we wouldn't know where they are from. The Flea might be dornish, Owen the Oaf, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsOfBrains Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Sam's first trip would have been paid for by his father who is a wealthy lord. His second trip was financed by the watch. Both times he was someone of importance. If I'm a petty Lord who arrests a rapist in the middle of Dorne there's not a lot of motivation to send him to the watch. Guys like Yoren travel around recruiting and emptying dungeons so unless someone like him comes by most criminals in Dorne will just stay there. It also doesn't make a lot of sense for someone like Yoren to go to Dorne either when he can just travel up and down the Kingsroad. On top of all the previously mentioned reasons Dorne is also the least populace of the seven kingdoms if I remember correctly. Ceterus parabus there would be fewer Dornish there. Combine that with the logistical challenges and it seems likely that only a few Dornish ever end up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingWITHcersei Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 During peace time I'm sure they send men there but during war? Think of how many factions they'd have to deal with to walk a straight line from Sunspear to Castle Black. Seems like they'd hardly bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I think Dornishmen on the Wall are really limited to the sons of nobles (who have the cash to get there), regular Dornish criminals who are sent to the Wall to accompany the son of a noble and the occasional odd duck who gets send their because he was a pirate or a sailor who committed his crimes much closer to the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose on the Loose Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 P.S I don't know if we have seen a man of the NW from the Westerlands but both Tyrion and Jamie have been under threat from it so I assume people from the west are sent there. So some brothers are from the Westerlands. But the Watch seems like a lot of bother when you have mines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Dorne is furthest from the Wall. Makes sense they'd be the kingdom sending the least amount people there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haven19 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Yup I was going to say Lord Commander Qorgyle, whose actually a pretty recent Lord Commander, the third to last one they had. But in all honesty, I find it more strange to think how Ironborn end up on the Wall; for example Cotter Pyke. It's like meeting an Ironborn Noble on the Small Council lol, it just doesn't happen much. But it's not impossible either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haven19 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 And the reason why is because since when do the Ironborn care about the Wildlings invading the North? The Ironborn are more similar to Wildlings than they are to Westerosi lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrus Martell Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Dornishmen on the Wall seem to be a rarity due to cultural differences - I doubt any Dornish lord even thinks of the Night's Watch. So far, only two are really confirmed: Lord Commander Qorgyle and Dornish Dilly. The former we know little about other than he was a member of House Qorgyle and was dilligent in sending out patrols across the Wall; the latter we only is Dornish by his name and he died during the Battle of Castle Black in ASOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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