iDooom Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Some people seem to believe that not only is Jon Snow not dead, but also that he's not seriously injured. Let's review the events at the end of ADWD. First, Wick cuts Jon. "When [Jon] put his hand to the side of his neck, blood welled between his fingers." "Welled" is an interesting choice of words. That's a lot of blood. A lot more than say "leaked" or "dripped." But, but, the wound is just a scratch! It can't be serious. JON is the one who says that it's a scratch. But he can't even see the wound. He can, however, see the blood from the wound. Next, "Jon reached for Longclaw, but his fingers had grown stiff and clumsy. Somehow he could not seem to get his sword free of its scabbard." So Jon, one of the best fighters in the NW, can't even draw his sword. Very interesting. "Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger’s hilt and wrenched it free." If he was wearing chainmail and wasn't seriously hurt, why does he "[fall] to his knees?" Why doesn't he get back up and fight? "Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold . . ." If Jon is barely hurt, why does he feel so much pain? Why does he just decide to just lie down and take a nap? Now consider that the whole sequence of events probably took place in less than 30 seconds. If Jon went into shock and lost consciousness, he's now dead. Especially considering that there's no maester or other healer around to stop his blood loss. While it's quite likely that Jon Snow's consciousness is currently in Ghost, his real body is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraculaAD1972 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 It's better to have him dead rather than just wounded. To end on such a cliffhanger and then, after many years, reveal that Jon just had a few flesh wounds, would be an anti-climax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Severe blood loss doesn't equal death. Severe, even agonizing, pain doesn't equal death. And a cliffhanger means "I can do whatever the hell I want in the next episode, you suckers". Also, to quote one writer I like, "so, you think he is dead, do you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin the Bold Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 So he is dead.But is he dead-dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Santa of House Claus Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Well there is the theory that the Jon that was stabbed was not really Jon, but a glamour. Also, it is possible that Mel could have some healing skills, or there could be wildling healers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraculaAD1972 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 So he is dead.But is he dead-dead?Not likely. Dead men can rise - and no way is Martin going to kill off golden boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion06 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I suspect Martin is just going to pull what Hobb did at the end of Royal Assassin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Amey Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 So he is dead.But is he dead-dead? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: That was funny.My thing is there is three way this can turn out.1He Dead-Dead LOL2Severly injured and incapacitatedDead-dead but is revive by the Red Woman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 He's dead today. But is he dead tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northbound3.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Sweet. I haven't read that chapter more than seven times, now. Thanks for the play by play.Oh P.S. Jon will be back. It's time to move on. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 If he was (permanently) dead, Martin would have told us that in the book. It would be a better book and it would give time for people to get over it. Now if it's revealed in the first chapter of the next book, people will be raging throughout the whole experience. Jon is, or will be, alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northbound3.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Well there is the theory that the Jon that was stabbed was not really Jon, but a glamour. That doesn't work, because we are in Jon's head/PoV the entire time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Santa of House Claus Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 That doesn't work, because we are in Jon's head/PoV the entire time. I think the theory is that it was a fake Jon the entire chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Davos was dead twice, so was Brienne, Arya, and even Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northbound3.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I think the theory is that it was a fake Jon the entire chapter.That would be shit writing on Martin's part, no? We would have seen it through Mel's PoV or from another...not Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMatchedEyes Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 He's dead? Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direwolves FTW Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Thoughts on the theory that Melisandre uses Shireen (king's blood) to revive Jon? I personally don't buy into it fully, but I am wondering if anyone is convinced thats the way this is going to go down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northbound3.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Thoughts on the theory that Melisandre uses Shireen (king's blood) to revive Jon? I personally don't buy into it fully, but I am wondering if anyone is convinced thats the way this is going to go down?I believe she will try and it will back fire on her, by it not working. This causes Stannis to go batshit and pisses Jon off, when he wakes up.I personally lean toward Jon being brought back by Bran/Bloodraven, using the power of blood magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Its hilarious that people use a thread dedicated to 'proving' Jon is dead to discuss how he isn't dead &/or will be revived :lol:To the OP: Gonna have to do better than that to convince me. I've read the chapter so summarizing it does nothing to prove he is dead-dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northbound3.0 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Its hilarious that people use a thread dedicated to 'proving' Jon is dead to discuss how he isn't dead &/or will be revivedWhen people ask pose questions, they will get answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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