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US Politics: midterm elections are nigh: do you know where your voting rights are?


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Facts? Ive debunked each voter id link you posted as "facts". You have been doing your very best to dodge addressing the "facts".

You now seem to have been lying about detailing the policies in your own words. There seems to be a fairly large disconnect. Maybe take a few deep breaths and come back eh mate?

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Suttree, I'll actually save you the embarrassment. I won't break down Detroit issues. Cause quite frankly, if you're not aware of them or want to pretend they doesn't exist, that's on you. All I ask is maybe be a little less hateful, when I post. I assure you I can do the same. Look, I don't agree with you politically. A lot of you actually. But that doesn't mean we have to be at each others throats constantly. Wouldn't you say?

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What you are showing now is a common liberal trait. When you can't attack the message, attack the messenger. I was just providing what was asked? Why you so mad?

I'm not mad, I'm amused by you. And you were not providing what was asked. In any case, I'll just leave you alone to wallow in your ignorance now.

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Anyway, this discussion is a cavalcade of stupidity, so in that light:



The US-Israel relationship



Bibi's general dickitude and the ever so slight dip of the Israeli fig-leaf has really soured relations between the Obama admin and Bibi. To the point where, you know, Bibi had more or less subtly endorsed Romney in 2012. He was disappointed, as I'm sure you know.



Anyway, it's been years of back and forth where the US Executive branch would accidentally say what they really thought about Bibi's admin and then they'd have to walk it back because the US is fucking stupid when it comes to Israel and so no dissent can be tolerated.



This has gotten even worse lately as Israel has been using the distraction of ISIS to get their occupy-on in the West Bank and their complete opposition to any talks with Iran. And so I give you the latest example of Obama/Bibi relations:


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/the-crisis-in-us-israel-relations-is-officially-here/382031/



The other day I was talking to a senior Obama administration official about the foreign leader who seems to frustrate the White House and the State Department the most. “The thing about Bibi is, he’s a chickenshit,” this official said, referring to the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, by his nickname.



This comment is representative of the gloves-off manner in which American and Israeli officials now talk about each other behind closed doors, and is yet another sign that relations between the Obama and Netanyahu governments have moved toward a full-blown crisis. The relationship between these two administrations— dual guarantors of the putatively “unbreakable” bond between the U.S. and Israel—is now the worst it's ever been, and it stands to get significantly worse after the November midterm elections. By next year, the Obama administration may actually withdraw diplomatic cover for Israel at the United Nations, but even before that, both sides are expecting a showdown over Iran, should an agreement be reached about the future of its nuclear program.



The fault for this breakdown in relations can be assigned in good part to the junior partner in the relationship, Netanyahu, and in particular, to the behavior of his cabinet. Netanyahu has told several people I’ve spoken to in recent days that he has “written off” the Obama administration, and plans to speak directly to Congress and to the American people should an Iran nuclear deal be reached. For their part, Obama administration officials express, in the words of one official, a “red-hot anger” at Netanyahu for pursuing settlement policies on the West Bank, and building policies in Jerusalem, that they believe have fatally undermined Secretary of State John Kerry’s peace process.





FYI, the careful among you will spot Bibi trying to undermine the authority of the US Executive there in the middle. This will, of course, go unnoticed since the US is stupid when it comes to Israel.


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Changed? Not very much, but OK. Lol, no racism, just quoting the source.

No, this:

You know it's bad when blacks leave the inner city because of dems.

was kinda racist.

In any event, you ignore that the city grew by over 3 million over 60 years of liberal mayors, ignore how so many neighborhoods have become amazing places to live that were not so much in the 70's and 80's, how it's a beautiful city, with interesting city improvements, and a drop in crime rate in the past 30 years, and cherry pick your data. So yes, weak sauce indeed.

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Ok...two hypotheticals...

First, my state at least has 'ballot initiatives,' edicts that citizens vote on directly as to whether or not they become law. Same seems true in most other states. Now...I see increasing alarm and disdain for the notion of 'corporations as persons' across the net and elsewhere, from liberals and conservatives alike. So...were enterprising citizens to collect the necessary signatures for petitions for ballot initiatives to restrict or partly repeal corporate personhood, how far would such a proposal get? Shot down automatically? Disallowed by the courts? And if it somehow made it onto the ballot in your state, would you vote for it or against it?

Second, last thread an article was posted describing what appears to be a systematic effort by multiple republican operatives to illegally remove voters from the rolls. Odds of a class action lawsuit arising out of this?

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I guess we're not going to see theprincethatdunningkrugerpromised actually address the serious debunking of his garbage story about zombie voters. Or at least his furious Googling skills have not turned up anything from the National Republican Lawyers Association he can rebut with. So, yes, ignore the whole exchange, pretend it never happened, pretend he never tried to sell a story that had already been debunked in the US Politics threads. This is how we know you are the Chosen One, Ignorance-Born, the Twice-Debunked.


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Ok...two hypotheticals...

First, my state at least has 'ballot initiatives,' edicts that citizens vote on directly as to whether or not they become law. Same seems true in most other states. Now...I see increasing alarm and disdain for the notion of 'corporations as persons' across the net and elsewhere, from liberals and conservatives alike. So...were enterprising citizens to collect the necessary signatures for petitions for ballot initiatives to restrict or partly repeal corporate personhood, how far would such a proposal get? Shot down automatically? Disallowed by the courts? And if it somehow made it onto the ballot in your state, would you vote for it or against it?

Well, the few times its happened so far, its been disallowed either by State Secretary of States or State Courts. Although, I think always due to technical reasons (problems with signatures, not responding by filing deadlines, etc.). There are a few local initiatives that have reached the ballot for this year, but I don't see how they have any enforcement power if they pass. I guess they provide a decent starting barometer for how popular such moves would be though.

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I guess we're not going to see theprincethatdunningkrugerpromised actually address the serious debunking of his garbage story about zombie voters. Or at least his furious Googling skills have not turned up anything from the National Republican Lawyers Association he can rebut with. So, yes, ignore the whole exchange, pretend it never happened, pretend he never tried to sell a story that had already been debunked in the US Politics threads. This is how we know you are the Chosen One, Ignorance-Born, the Twice-Debunked.

The NRLA link is more than enough. It shows confirmed and suspected cases. For each case it provided the source. You've been proven wrong twice now on voter id and Chicago. Next

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The NRLA link is more than enough.

1. You clearly still have not read the various links provided. Seriously why are you trying so hard to not address these?

2. You clearly still have not read your own NRLA(seriously, that's your source?!)link provided which consists largely of allegations and referrals for investigations. Pro tip: the links I provided show the results of investigations.

3. The best part is you furiously googled the topic in order to join a conversation you clearly know nothing about. You then provided the first story about zombie voters you could find seemingly not knowing it had been a running national joke after being so thoroughly debunked. You've done the same in terms of "liberal policies" of which youre analysis has consisted of "all of them!" Scintillating stuff prince.

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theprincethatwasntpromised



Chicago is a dysfunctional, and very corrupt, one party town. However there is a huge financial sector based in the city, it's also an important transport and manufacturing hub and so much genral wealth concentrated there that despite their best efforts Dems can not completely fuck it up. A bit like New York. OTOH Detroit and Cleveland have no such inbuilt advantages and the full affect of municipal socialism can be oberved with awe and wonder.


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What's the definition of insanity again? Because you guys are fucking insane.




And now for real non-I'm-going-to-ram-my-head-against-this-brick-wall-a-hundred-times-to-see-if-it-gives actual news:



Lindsay Graham is rumored to thinking about running for president.



South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, who is toying with the idea of a presidential bid, joked in a private gathering this month that "white men who are in male-only clubs are going to do great in my presidency," according to an audio recording of his comments provided to CNN.




In related news, Lindsay Graham is rumored to no longer be thinking about running for president.




And to go back to the endless (but not endlessly entertaining) voter ID crap: This is what its like to get a Voter ID when you're disabled, poor, or don't drive.





In the end, you get scenarios like this one, described by the Brennan Center forJustice at NYU in a roundup of actual complications arising right now in Texas during early voting:



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So, anyone care to compare levels of education, health, general human well-being between red states and blue states instead of looking at a handful of post-industrial cities with little to no power over macroeconomic trends? Because I can tell you that won't go well for the red states.


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