What happened to Dark Sister after Bloodraven was sent to the wall ?

[Danilo Sanches]

I just finished reading TWoIaF , and although there's a very nice picture of the valyrian steel sword Dark Sister , there's no mention whatsoever of her destiny. I thought a lot about it , and there are some conclusions tahat could be taken from this omission.

1- Maester Yandel genuinely has no idea of what became of it , or couldn't find any evidence of it's whereabouts. ( But if that is so , why didnt he let the reader know that he tried but couldn't find anything ? )

2- He simply didn't find the information important enough to be in the book.

3- Like Blackfyre ( That i'm almost certain will find it's way to Young Griff's hand from Ilyrio Mopatis ) , it will be very important to the plot , and mention anything regarding it's location might Spoiler things for the readers.

I have a hunch ( It's just a hunch , there's nothing factual about it , actually it's more wishful thinking ) that the sword might be hidden in Lyanna's tomb. My guess is that Ned found it along with hi sister in ToJ and decided that the Crypt in Winterfell was the safest place to put it , given that it may be an evidence to R+J=L marriage. I just think that , as Dark Sister was house Targaryen last valyrian sword , Aegon V might hace thought about keeping it , instead of giving it back to Brynden. Or that Brynden would through the same reasoning leave it at Kings Landing before going to the wall. ( I just want to gon on the record as saying again that even i found my theory a bit fragile , but not altogether impossible.

Any thoughts ?

[Hedgehog Knight]

I'm pretty sure there's been no concrete evidence in the books as to the current whereabouts of Dark Sister or Blackfyre, but I hope Dark Sister finds its way into Arya's hand at some point!

[Gaston de Foix]

I'm pretty sure there's been no concrete evidence in the books as to the current whereabouts of Dark Sister or Blackfyre, but I hope Dark Sister finds its way into Arya's hand at some point!

I doubt that will be the case. Arya will be an assassin not a warrior.

I highly doubt that Lord Bloodraven would be allowed to take the last Valyrian steel sword owned by House Targaryen with him to the Wall. Unfortunately, it may have gone missing at about the time of his Exile, because there is no record of Prince Duncan or Prince Daeron or any subsequent Targaryen wielding it.

I agree that their whereabouts are mysterious by design. I have always had a hunch that Danaerys will give Blackfyre to Jorah Mormont because of her promise in AGOT:

“Ser Jorah Mormont,” she said, “first and greatest of my knights, I have no bride gift to give you, but I swear to you, one day you shall have from my hands a longsword like none the world has ever seen, dragon-forged and made of Valyrian steel. And I would ask for your oath as well.”

[Lord Tony of House Stark]

the whereabouts of both Targ swords are unknown ATM. The general concensus is that Bittersteel took BF when he fled the 7 Kingdoms and it is somewhere with the Gold Company. I agree, it will likely make its way to fAegon. Dark Sister was taken from Bloodraven by Egg when BR was sent to the Wall. I think DS will likely be part of the revelation of Jon's true parentage.

[aryagonnakill#2]

I think the more detailed explanation of BR's being sent to the wall means we can rule out BR having it in the cave, however personally that was the theory I was going with because none of the others make any sense. The other possibilities basically make Rhaegar out to be a moron for not using it on the Trident.

[John Doe]

If R+L=J is true Howland Reed might have it.

[Gaston de Foix]

I am skeptical about this claim: there is nothing in the World Book to suggest that any later Targaryen such as Prince Duncan or Prince Daeron wielded it. If Rhaegar had such a sword, why not use it? Moreover how many swords does Jon Snow need? He already has Longclaw and if he is Azor Azhai he will have Lightbringer.

Here's what I think: Blackfyre is somewhere in Essos, Dark Sister in Westeros.

Blackfyre was the greatest prize of the Blackfyre line and would never have been willingly relinquished by them. If the Golden Company had it, they would have given it to Aegon by now. I doubt it is in Illyrio's possession because his involvement with the Targaryens started with Varys not with the Blackfyre line.

Dark Sister has been handed by King Jaeherys II Targaryen to the Order of the Green Men for safekeeping until the Long Night should fall. If Dany is going to war, she will wield Dark Sister. Blackfyre is too great a weight for her to wield.

[BitsOfBrains]

the whereabouts of both Targ swords are unknown ATM. The general concensus is that Bittersteel took BF when he fled the 7 Kingdoms and it is somewhere with the Gold Company. I agree, it will likely make its way to fAegon. Dark Sister was taken from Bloodraven by Egg when BR was sent to the Wall. I think DS will likely be part of the revelation of Jon's true parentage.

The only thing I don't get is IF BF is with the GC why don't they use it?

VS weapons are a major advantage.

I agree that it is highly unlikely BR was allowed to take DS with him to the NW. It just seems like a good way to lose a precious family heirloom and BR was partially disgraced by the time he was shipped off.

[Gaston de Foix]

The only thing I don't get is IF BF is with the GC why don't they use it?

VS weapons are a major advantage.

I agree that it is highly unlikely BR was allowed to take DS with him to the NW. It just seems like a good way to lose a precious family heirloom and BR was partially disgraced by the time he was shipped off.

Since the Blackfyres lived and were allied in Tyrosh perhaps it was given to the Archon of Tyrosh for safekeeping? IMO the value of the sword does not in lie principally in it being Valyrian steel, but rather in being the sword of Aegon the Conqueror. Maybe we will see more Blackfyre claimants or false dragons coming forward.

Valyrian steel weapons are a major advantage in single combat, not necessarily in war. if I was a sellsword wielding a Valyrian steel sword wouldn't that be a good way to get every person on the battlefield gunning for me in order to claim the weapon as spoils? On the other hand, Aggo Corpsekiller seems to be doing okay.

[BitsOfBrains]

Valyrian steel weapons are a major advantage in single combat, not necessarily in war. if I was a sellsword wielding a Valyrian steel sword wouldn't that be a good way to get every person on the battlefield gunning for me in order to claim the weapon as spoils? On the other hand, Aggo Corpsekiller seems to be doing okay.

You might be onto something with that. Besides who wants a Valyrian steel arakh?

It would be like almost looting an awesome weapon. I guess you could become the baddest wheat thresher ever.

[Varys BrightBlackflayrme]

I think the GC have BF. Prince Aemon "The Brown Dragon" wanted to use it in his failed rebellion. The GC refused to give it to him. IIRC. Then I'd suggest Faegon has to prove himself somewhat before he can receive BF.
Side note GC still hated Targs since as late as 'let's laugh at poor Viserys days'.

As for DS I always thought BR would give it to Jon or Meera at some point. But then it does make sense for Rhaegar to own it. If so then he an idiot for not using it against Cousin Bob. But then, he knew he wasn't "The Last Dragon", so he could have left it with his last son & heir.

But seriously that reasons Not really dead Jon will enter the crypt and push open his mothers tomb and find a wedding cape or dress, some confetti, a trumpet, a silver harp, a Walkman with a mixed tape of asoiaf, DS & DAWN. Maybe an Ice Dragon or a Fire Dragon or in the least a Luck Dragon called Falcor.

*edited to change tv references.

[Sword of the Morgan]

I'm pretty sure there's been no concrete evidence in the books as to the current whereabouts of Dark Sister or Blackfyre, but I hope Dark Sister finds its way into Arya's hand at some point!

That would be sweet, though she already has a sword. I am really interested in where Dark Sister is...really I'm interested in all of the mysteries big and small in this series.

[Hiems Adventum]

I have a hunch ( It's just a hunch , there's nothing factual about it , actually it's more wishful thinking ) that the sword might be hidden in Lyanna's tomb. My guess is that Ned found it along with hi sister in ToJ and decided that the Crypt in Winterfell was the safest place to put it , given that it may be an evidence to R+J=L marriage.

I had never considered this, but it seems so true that I automatically believed it as I read it. GRRM wrote a great deal about the crypts, and how each king had a sword a his tomb (pointedly not mentioning whether Lyanna's tomb had one). The crypts did survive Winterfell's burning, too. If R+L=J is true, this would be a natural place for Dark Sister to rest. Nice work!

[Khal Shaggydog]

Still no evidence either way as to whether or not Bloodraven took DS with him to the Wall. Yes he was sent there, but he also was OK with being sent - he went because he had to. He acknowledged what he did was wrong, and by staying in KL he would taint Egg's reign, so he willingly accepted exile to the NW.

(that is what Jaime should have done, BTW, but he had no reason to do Robert that courtesy. Robert should have sent him to the wall for killing the King, and privately thanked him for doing the dirty deed).

My guess is that BR brought DS to the Wall, and it is either still at the wall, or he took it on his ranging north when he disappered to his weirwood retirement community. No real clue on its next stop. Meera is a pretty dark sister now, especially if Jojen bites the paste.

[Stannis's birthright]

DS is with Bloodraven in the cave ... I believe he knew what would happen when he killed the BF claimant . If he wanted DS At the Wall .. That is were it went .

[Stannis's birthright]

DS is with Bloodraven in the cave ... I believe he knew what would happen when he killed the BF claimant . If he wanted DS At the Wall .. That is were it went .

[Khal Shaggydog]

Bloodraven specifically says that he killed the Blackfyre to spare the new King Aegon the trouble, and he sacrificed his honor for the Realm, and for the actual Targaryens...

Its somewhat simliarl to Jaime Lannister killing Aerys - someone had to do it. Jaime probably didnt do it with as much foresight as BR, but he still did the dirty deed no one else was willing to do because it had to be done. Big ass blunder on the incoming leadership that they didnt follow the pattern and send Jaime to the Wall for his troubles. There would be no grounds on which Tywin could legitimately object, espeicially if they had already announced the betrothal of Robert and Cersei. Sure it was Roberts call, but I'll place the blame more on Jon Arryn there - get that freaking Lannister out of KL, and get him away from your new king!

But back to DS - I dont think anyone was going to tell him what to do with his Valyrian steel at any point in his life. The guy was terrifying, and for good reason. At the time he would have been parted with his blade, he was a legitimized son of a former King, he was a former Hand, he was the uncle or great uncle to the incoming King, etc.

[BitsOfBrains]

Bloodraven specifically says that he killed the Blackfyre to spare the new King Aegon the trouble, and he sacrificed his honor for the Realm, and for the actual Targaryens...

I don't buy that. I think BR had an ulterior motive for luring and killing the BF claimant whose name escapes me.

DS is with Bloodraven in the cave ... I believe he knew what would happen when he killed the BF claimant . If he wanted DS At the Wall .. That is were it went .

I just don't think they would have let BR take DS to the wall. He was a disgraced bastard practicing the dark arts. I guess its possible. BR could see the future and had all kinds of agents so I guess its possible but I doubt it.

[Khal Shaggydog]

He actually wasnt a bastard at that time - his father legitimized all of his children.

What would be the ulterior motive of killing the Blackfyre kid? I think its pretty clear whose side BR was on throughout the entire history, and this goes right along with it. He killed him to avoid any contesting claims to who BR believed was the true Targaryen line. What else would he get out of that, besides that which he already stated? Was there an ulterior motive in rooting out the rebels at Whitewalls? Of killing the first Blackfyre, Daemon?

[cbraunstein310]

I think Rhaegar was the last to have used Darksister. I may be grasping at straws but the illustration for the Battle of the Trident at the end of the book shows Rhaegar using a sword with a red stone (ruby?) in the center of the swords guard. Also, the guard is, for lack of a better word, wavey. Both of these features match the illustration of Darksister found earlier in the book. They only part that I think is different is the pommel.

Rheagar having Darksister makes sense because the Mad King was not much of a warrior.