Dream Wind Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 At the end of GoT Jon almost deserts to go to his brothers side, and we know the honour that runs in the family and what happened to karstark so guys your thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the one eared cat Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He'd find an excuse for Jon. King's pardon or something, or else he'd send Jon back to Mormont for punishment and we know Mormont is sensible and wouldn't execute him (Jon did desert, he just came back, and he wasn't punished too harshly). There's no way Robb would kill his own brother... kinslaying seems to be a pretty awful crime by Westerosi standards, and Jon and Robb are closely related enough for it to count (Karstarks are questionable).The only thing more important to the Starks than honour is family (Ned lies and proclaims Joffrey the true king, against his honour, in order to spare Arya and Sansa). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runs With Direwolves Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He'd find an excuse for Jon. King's pardon or something, or else he'd send Jon back to Mormont for punishment and we know Mormont is sensible and wouldn't execute him (Jon did desert, he just came back, and he wasn't punished too harshly). There's no way Robb would kill his own brother... kinslaying seems to be a pretty awful crime by Westerosi standards, and Jon and Robb are closely related enough for it to count (Karstarks are questionable). The only thing more important to the Starks than honour is family (Ned lies and proclaims Joffrey the true king, against his honour, in order to spare Arya and Sansa). I agree, I think Robb would have had a brotherly chat with Jon and told him to wise up and remember his vows. It was Jon's choice to go to the Wall and leave Winterfell as he didn't think he had a place there. If he had stayed he could have fought and died, most likely, with Robb. Although if Jon was with Robb at The Crag when they found out about B & R there may not have been a breaking of vows on Robb's part, as Jon would have had the same conversation as the hypothetical one mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_Warged Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Never. He broke a vow for his wife. He'd have broken one for Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Robb would have been in a pretty damning position if Jon had deserted. Either execute him and be a Kinslayer, or spare him and make an enemy out of the Night's Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomi Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Well, later on Robb named Jon his heir despite Jon's vow not to inherit. Robb doesn't seem to care to much about the NW vows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howland Reeds Weed Swamp Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Robb was an arse,anyway. Jon would of been one young man leaving his watch but Robb risked an entire Kingdom over the stale Jeyne Westerling. I don't have a problem with Jeyne but love is the death of duty. For both Robb and Jon made bad decisions. Aemon's quote really is perfect. Loved that guy :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Drew Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 How could Robb make enemies out of the Night's Watch? They take vows to take no part in the conflicts of the realm. The Wall is their concern, not a king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomi Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Actually, neutrality isn't part of the NW oath, it's just a useful tradition IIRC. They wouldn't give this up to and make an enemy out of the North just because Robb doesn't kill Jon, though, I think. They are having less than a thousand men, they have basically no protection to the south and they have too many enemies beyond the Wall already. They need recruits from the North, not enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raving Stark the Mad Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dames do Moan Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I agree, I think Robb would have had a brotherly chat with Jon and told him to wise up and remember his vows. It was Jon's choice to go to the Wall and leave Winterfell as he didn't think he had a place there. If he had stayed he could have fought and died, most likely, with Robb. Agreed, but I think he would have just told him to go back to the wall. If Jon persisted in his attempt to leave the watch I still don't think Robb would have killed him. Wouldn't have let him stay with him and his army, maybe show him the back door but definelty wouldn't kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runs With Direwolves Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Agreed, but I think he would have just told him to go back to the wall. If Jon persisted in his attempt to leave the watch I still don't think Robb would have killed him. Wouldn't have let him stay with him and his army, maybe show him the back door but definelty wouldn't kill him.Yeah, probably an escort back to LC Mormont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia H. Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Robb wouldn't kill Jon, especially not a Jon who has just risked everything to help him. As for sending him back to the Wall ... he might just as well have sent a group of captured Lannister soldiers in accordance with the idea we know he later had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The thought that Robb never would kinslay has been proven false. He killed Rickard Karstark, albeit he was a distant cousin, because it was the 'honorable' thing to do, even though it was obvious it would cost him House Karstark's allegiance. It's hard to say what Robb would do. He tried to stay true to the law no matter the cost, but as his dalliance with Jeyne prove his passions can override his judgment just as easily as his honor can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Wolf Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Robb was willing to break the rules for the people he loved. He would have welcomed Jon and sent the Watch a hundred men in his place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The thought that Robb never would kinslay has been proven false. He killed Rickard Karstark, albeit he was a distant cousin, because it was the 'honorable' thing to do, even though it was obvious it would cost him House Karstark's allegiance. It's hard to say what Robb would do. He tried to stay true to the law no matter the cost, but as his dalliance with Jeyne prove his passions can override his judgment just as easily as his honor can.Robb killing Karstark is not kinslaying. Nearly every northern house has Stark blood so that crap that Karstark was spewing is just that crap. But Robb and Jon are brothers I don't think Rkbb would kill his brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia H. Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Robb was willing to break the rules for the people he loved. He would have welcomed Jon and sent the Watch a hundred men in his place Exactly. Robb loved Jon. Jon was his brother and best friend. Karstark was neither. Besides, what Karstark did could not serve the cause Robb was fighting for in any way, while Jon's intention was to help him. Robb would have felt responsible for him, just as he felt responsible for Jeyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unitron Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Somebody pulls a sword on Robb and he's quick-witted enough to defuse the situation/sidestep the need to execute the guy by saying he was just going to help him cut his meat, so he'd probably say Jon must have been sent out ranging and took a wrong turn at Albuquerque and give him an "escort" to take him back north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unitron Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The thought that Robb never would kinslay has been proven false. He killed Rickard Karstark, albeit he was a distant cousin, because it was the 'honorable' thing to do, even though it was obvious it would cost him House Karstark's allegiance. It's hard to say what Robb would do. He tried to stay true to the law no matter the cost, but as his dalliance with Jeyne prove his passions can override his judgment just as easily as his honor can. That wasn't kinslaying, that was kin executing. Or rather that was executing for cause someone who happened to be distant kin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Somebody pulls a sword on Robb and he's quick-witted enough to defuse the situation/sidestep the need to execute the guy by saying he was just going to help him cut his meat, so he'd probably say Jon must have been sent out ranging and took a wrong turn at Albuquerque and give him an "escort" to take him back north. :lol: "Silly Jon, the North is that way!" "Whoops, I must have forgot, Your Grace." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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