Malik Ambar Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Is Robert's love for Lyanna in any way inferior to Rhaegar's? I don't think so, as I believe Robert genuinely did love her. Rhaegar's act of love,'kidnapping' of lyanna, is in my opinion as deluded as AGoT Robert's strange obsession with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shmewdog Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Only Robert says that Lyanna was kidnapped, and since his side won the war his account will be the official history. It is very possible that Lyanna went with Rhaegar willingly. And besides, we all know that Robert would have slept around no matter who his wife was. That's just the way he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Is Robert's love for Lyanna in any way inferior to Rhaegar's? I don't think so, as I believe Robert genuinely did love her. He has a funny way of showing it by whoring up the country before, during, and after the war. It was not genuine. However, this is really a pointless argument to make. I am a big fan of Rhaegar and I do not assert that his love was 'genuine.' Why? Simple. We don't know what happened. We have only hints. The official story, if ever there could be such a thing, is that Rhaegar kidnapped her. Anything else is conjecture and possibly bias. Robert thinks he was raping her. That's certainly not genuine. Barristan thinks he loved her. That sounds genuine. But there is one person's testimony that is probably key to this, and we just don't have enough to draw strong conclusions yet. Lyanna herself. It's well known that she did not think Robert would be a good husband. And it's also most likely true that she was the wolf maid who cried when the dragon prince sang a song. Until further things are revealed, the only thing we can know for sure is that Lyanna definitely didn't think Robert's love was genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onime Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 We don't know if Rhaegar ever loved Lyanna or just kidnapped her to fulfill the "prophecy". If Jon is really their son and Azor Ahai his actions would make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Robert didn't even know Lyanna so how can you love someone you never knew and to the extent that Robert did. Anyways Robert is shit so of course his "love" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady jellybean Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 We dont really even know if rhaegar loved lyanna or was just doing it to fullfill some strange quota for children. Just as we dont know if Lyanna loved and ran away with Rhaegar or was kidnapped. I personally have a hard time wrapping my mind around girl that objected to the fact that her husband may cheat running off to be with a married man.And saying she cried when he sang means nothing I always cry when I hear aerosmith's "i dont want to close my eyes" but that doesnt mean I want to run away with the lead singer.Also why were the WC's on the outside of the tower and not on the inside. Wouldnt being inside be better for protection, outside to me makes it seem more like guarding to make sure something or someone doesnt get away. But at least you cant deny robert loved lyanna or what he "thought" lyanna was. Rhargar...we cant say for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Rhaegar did die saying Lyanna's name, that means something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Anyways Robert is shit so of course his "love" is. :lol: Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Eric Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 They both loved Lyanna, that's plainly obvious. Didn't do either of them any good in the end.Rhaegar died and Robert might as well have died given what happened to him. Of course, Rhaegar's actions are moronic in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naseridrl Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I don't think either of them loved her. Robert seems obsessed with her and has her as some perfect woman in his mind which she clearly wasn't. To truly love her he'd have had to know her and he clearly didn't. Rhaegar seems to have just rented her womb for a while which in the end left her dead in the middle of the desert with a bunch of people outside trying to kill her brother. If she willing went with Rhaegar no matter what crap he fed her then she was truly an idiot given her objections to Robert and his faithfulness or lack of. She wanted to be free I can't imagine being connected to the Prince and future King was ever going to give her freedom or happiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King in Black Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 It seems to me that both truly did love lyanna, though whom she loved is another matter. The whole ' he took her cause azor ahai' seems extreme, and to argue that Robert's sexual appetite = guaranteed infidelity is too silly, IMO. We simply can't say that it would be outlandish to imagine that men can change after marriage. Rhaegar's 'abduction' was full retard, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fauntleroy Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Robert "Bobby B" Baratheon was a spoiled, lordly, shallow dude who liked hot chicks, of course when he meets a gorgeous girl who happens to be related to his best bro and her hand would benefit him greatly he thinks it's "love". He probably genuinely thought she would like him in return. Though I doubt Rhaegar loved her either, he just needed the dragon to have three heads. Ray-T seemed like the kind of guy who put work before family, and his life's work was that prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 It wasn't genuine love. Whoring up the entire country while assuming her to be raped? Or not trying to spend time with her at Harrenhal? Nevertheless, since when is Rhaegar's love confirmed to be love? Rhaegar did die saying Lyanna's name, that means something.We don't know that. Yes, some people say he died "with a woman's names on the lips", but they don't say it was "Lyanna", nor were they present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleFinger Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 It wasn't genuine love. Whoring up the entire country while assuming her to be raped? Or not trying to spend time with her at Harrenhal? Nevertheless, since when is Rhaegar's love confirmed to be love? We don't know that. Yes, some people say he died "with a woman's names on the lips", but they don't say it was "Lyanna", nor were they present. I always like to think his last words were "Bessy...with the great big tits!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onime Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 GIVE THAT MAN A COOKIE! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naseridrl Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 It wasn't genuine love. Whoring up the entire country while assuming her to be raped? Or not trying to spend time with her at Harrenhal? Nevertheless, since when is Rhaegar's love confirmed to be love? We don't know that. Yes, some people say he died "with a woman's names on the lips", but they don't say it was "Lyanna", nor were they present. I've always thought if he did die with a womans name on his lips, it was him cursing the woods witch who kick started this entire prophesy mess he got himself into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 It seems to me that both truly did love lyanna, though whom she loved is another matter. The whole ' he took her cause azor ahai' seems extreme, and to argue that Robert's sexual appetite = guaranteed infidelity is too silly, IMO. We simply can't say that it would be outlandish to imagine that men can change after marriage.Rhaegar's 'abduction' was full retard, however. But Robert didn't change after his marriage. It may not have been a perfect one but he simply gave no fucks about Cersei or her feelings about his activities with whores. It was well known around court. It wasn't genuine love. Whoring up the entire country while assuming her to be raped? Or not trying to spend time with her at Harrenhal? Nevertheless, since when is Rhaegar's love confirmed to be love? We don't know that. Yes, some people say he died "with a woman's names on the lips", but they don't say it was "Lyanna", nor were they present. Actually, I think we do know that. I believe it was confirmed that it was Lyanna he said. And it wasn't some people; it was the Undying, who showed Dany things most others couldn't possibly know at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 We don't know that. Yes, some people say he died "with a woman's names on the lips", but they don't say it was "Lyanna", nor were they present. I've heard people on here say GRRM confirmed it in an interview. I can't find the interview but the wiki now states [AWOIAF spoilers]: It's confirmed in AWOIAF? I don't have the book yet and the wiki doesn't cite a page or anything... just the book. Can anyone with the book confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kikajon Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I don't think this is the point.The point is that Lyanna didn't love him.Maybe he really loved her, or thought he loved her, for sure she did not love him.In Lyanna eyes for sure Robert's love was inferior to the kind of love she expected from a husband.Regarding what happened with Rhaegar we have only some hints so we cannot tell, only imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A spoon of knife and fork Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Robert was infatuated with Lyanna.Lyanna was infatuated with Rhaegar.Rhaegar was obsessed with prophecy.There are no healthy relationships or real love among the Bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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