Mrs_Darcy Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Having read the part about Winterfell in the TWOIAF-book, I think, that Summer really did see a dragon flying out of the ruins of Winterfell.Here's why:According to Mushroom, the dragon Vermax laid a clutch of eggs in the Winterfell crypts, when his owner was negotiating with Cregan Stark over the "Pact of Ice and Fire". Since the crypts are heated by the hot pools, the temperature could be sufficient to heat it upThe smallfolk of Winterfell and the Winter Town have been known to say, that the hot pools are heated by a dragon residing undre the castleThe Starks have only made use of the hot pools for heating their castle "in recent centuries", which would coincide with the laying of the eggs happening roughly in 100 ACI do not think, that GRRM has included a dragon living under Winterfell, if it did not play a part in later books. A good question is where the dragon now dwells, since it has been undetected and needs warm dwellings. I think, it is hiding on Skagos currently, since the island is volcanic like Dragonstone and remote enough, that a dragon being there would not be noticed by the population of mainland Westeros. So, we will probably get to see it, when Davos goes to retrieve Rickon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Snark of Winterfell Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I agree, the fact a clutch of eggs was mentioned to me means there is something related to dragons in Winterfell, whether it be the eggs are still down there, or there is a grown Dragon being heated by the hot springs, or maybe even an ice dragon. But I also think Dawn is buried in the crypts as well, so if I'm to be believed everything under the sun is down there. Also, I really think Cannibal is on Skagos. I believe that Cannibal and Sheepstealer survived the Dance. Dragons live a long time and as far as I know there was no Cataclysmic event like the Doom that would have killed the wild dragons between the Dance and present Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozentree Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Dragons can't survive entirely underground, they are carnivores with rather big appetite and I think people would notice dragon(s) flying around Winterfell. The dragon heating the springs is obviously a myth. But yes, given the already prominent theories about dragon from Winterfell, the mentions are certainly of some relevance, but I would consider them more of hints and foreshadowing than direct truthful claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushy Green Dreams Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Not to mention that winterfell recently burned and many blood sacrifices were basically made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiggardGuy Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I dunno, Frozentree. Lots of references about dragons at Winterfell throughout the series. Although many of Mushroom's claims seemed to have been dismissed by other Maesters in TWOIAF, this one seems to be so random that I can't help but think there's some truth to it. How would Mushroom have had any knowledge of what went on at Winterfell otherwise. Unless the "dragon" references are actually references to Targaryens as they are commonly referred to as dragons in prophecies (i.e. D&E novellas). But I definitely think there is something to this one, folks. Side note: In Maester Aemon Targaryens last few days alive while on his way to meet up wtih Dany, he mutters that the prophecy of TPTWP could be referring to a Princess and his reasoning is that dragons either don't have a sex or their sex is not definite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbechk Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I agree, the fact a clutch of eggs was mentioned to me means there is something related to dragons in Winterfell, whether it be the eggs are still down there, or there is a grown Dragon being heated by the hot springs, or maybe even an ice dragon. But I also think Dawn is buried in the crypts as well, so if I'm to be believed everything under the sun is down there. Also, I really think Cannibal is on Skagos. I believe that Cannibal and Sheepstealer survived the Dance. Dragons live a long time and as far as I know there was no Cataclysmic event like the Doom that would have killed the wild dragons between the Dance and present Westeros. I'm pretty sure Sheepstealer and Nettles long survived the Dance: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/119875-twoiaf-spoilers-burned-men-worshiped-nettles/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 It was a hint for R+L=J, northing more. There is not an actual dragon in Winterfell. The only dragon there is Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myufa Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Maybe Jon will come to Winterfell and wake the dragons in the next books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotcat Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 While it's an interesting idea that there's a clutch of dragon eggs lurking in the depths of Winterfell - I don't buy that there's a full grown dragon down there - I don't think it's very likely considering the source of the information. Mushroom's opinions seemed to be considered to be of 'take with a pinch of salt' veracity. None of the maesters seemed to take his claims very seriously at all. Depending on how you look at it, not to mention which theory you go for, the only dragon that was ever in residence at Winterfell was Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingWITHcersei Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 What about the dragon Summer saw after the burning of WF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 What about the dragon Summer saw after the burning of WF? That was just smoke and fire (and a direwolf trying to be poetic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 It is a hint to Jon's future dragon who actually hatched - and was later seen by Summer - during the burning of Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 It is a hint to Jon's future dragon who actually hatched - and was later seen by Summer - during the burning of Winterfell. If you are talking about Drogon, I agree :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farm_ecology Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 What about the dragon Summer saw after the burning of WF? Do you have a quote, because I couldn't find anything about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 The rumour of dragon eggs in Winterfell makes no sense to me. The idea comes from Mushroom, but how would he know this, precisely? Did Vermax tell him? If there are dragon eggs in the crypts of Winterfell, surely the Starks would have to know about it for anyone else to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 IIRC, the dragon glimpsed by Summer in ACOK was not flying in the direction of Skagos, but in the opposite direction ... roughly in the direction of the Wolfswood, and Deepwood Mott and Sea Dragon Point.I believe there are one or more dragons on Skagos as well, but I don't think the Dragon of Winterfell is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Do you have a quote, because I couldn't find anything about this?"The smoke and ash clouded his eyes, and in the sky he saw a great winged snake whose roar was a river of flame. He bared his teeth, but then the snake was gone."ACOK, last chapter, 1st page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myufa Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 So does that mean Ramsey woke a dragon, since he burned WF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farm_ecology Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 So does that mean Ramsey woke a dragon, since he burned WF? Ramsay is AAR, it is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta_Greyjoy Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 "The smoke and ash clouded his eyes, and in the sky he saw a great winged snake whose roar was a river of flame. He bared his teeth, but then the snake was gone."ACOK, last chapter, 1st page. promise you'll keep this dragon egg for him. Promise me, Ned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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