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So I'm assuming the BWB storyline is either done with or being pushed out as I've heard nothing about any of those actors returning. And the only bit of info I read basically danced around the fact that LSH is a no go. So that's fun.



With the Greyjoy uncles having yet to be cast I'd assume that storyline will be severely trimmed or removed as well. I can't see how pushing it back until next season would allow for the plot timing to align well, but I suppose TV magic has pulled off miracles before.



Quentyn surely isn't happening. Tyrion's travelogue may be one episode at best, and without the Griff/YG situation. I doubt the show will have Manderly at this point.



Anyone have any information contrary to these guesses? Or at least their opinion on if/when some of these events may show up?




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The show will be seven seasons long so naturally much of AFFC and ADWD had to be cut or delayed to fit them into one season. I don't think as much has been cut as the OP suggests because it is very possible that aspects of the Euron and fAegon plotlines could be delayed until s6 (and we don't actually know that the BWB stuff has been cut, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence) but, yes, large portions of those two books will not make the show. I don't lament that loss all TOO greatly myself since this means getting TWOW in s6 and ADOS in s7 (ie, actually knowing when we'll get Act Three of ASOIAF and making the gruelling wait significantly shorter).



This has all been discussed in length in the catch-all "casting, news and speculation" threads btw if any of you want to sieve through the hundreds of pages of discussion in those.


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Most of that is really just conjecture. For instance, nobody has any information whatsoever whether Jeyne Poole is "gone", people just have been assuming that since forever. Because, these days, it's popular to have the default assumption that the show is making changes or cutting stuff from the books until proven otherwise.

But then, the show occasionally throws a wrench in it by doing things like suddenly introducing the existence of Lollys in season 4, which nobody expected.

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Some things are gone, but other things are simply pushed back a bit to when they become relevant. Books 4 and 5 spend a lot of time setting up dominoes for book 6.



At the end of book 5, Euron hadn't achieved much. He had harassed the Reach a bit and sent Victarion to Mereen. But Euron will probably be a huge deal in book 6. Delaying Euron's appearance until the season where he really matters is a legitimate choice, and probably intensifies his story and makes it easier to get a great actor to play him. Victarion will almost certainly die early in book 6, and though I'd have loved to see the monkey scene, he isn't a very important character.



Similarly, very little happens in the Riverlands in books 4-5. Some minor Freys are hanged. Some territorial disputes we don't care about are resolved. LS / the BWB seem to be setting up for something big for book 6. So we should expect to see them and Walder Frey back again in season 6 when they have something big to do.



Jaime's book 4 plot would not have been amazing TV. Jaime would be wandering around talking to extras - people we don't know or care about, in places we don't care about. The only good part would be the Jaime / Blackfish conversation but even that would just peter out when Blackfish escaped. Jaime / Doran, Jaime / Myrcella, and Jaime / Bronn are things I'm really looking forward to.



As for Bran - the show will probably do pretty much what the books did. Bran is barely present in books 4-5. He has only a few chapters. There is some evidence that there might be a Bran scene in 5x01, and the show is doing the Theon / tree scene which featured Bran in the books. So Bran will probably have a small presence in season 5.



Aegon being axed is a bigger deviation from the books. It might work out really well, might be a mess. We'll have to see.


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This would be more acceptable if they hadn't dragged out Season 4 so much. Wildings climb Wall in Season 3, don't attack CB until last episode of S4. Delaying Arya going to Braavos a season. Was Tyrion's inconclusive trial the most important event in the whole series? They spent more time on it than any other event (even the Wot5k).


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It's quite obvious what will happen:



The Greyjoys and Martels will be cut, as well as the whole Young Griff storyline. Season 5 will instead see Tyrion being Tyrion but on a boat, and instead of Jeyne we will have every third scene telling the story of Ramsay falling in love with the queen of Qohor (who will be replacing Jeyne).


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As much as we'd like the show to reflect the books more accurately... the reality is that it is impossible to do so because of actor obligations/child actors aging/unrealistic cast size/overcomplicated plot for most TV watchers /etc etc etc.... If none of this were concerns, I'm sure HBO would love to do ASoIaF down to the smallest detail because the longer GoT goes on, it makes good business sense .... but instead we have this TV show, different from the books, yet still great.



....Although I would love to see Arrienne :)


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It's quite obvious what will happen:

The Greyjoys and Martels will be cut, as well as the whole Young Griff storyline. Season 5 will instead see Tyrion being Tyrion but on a boat, and instead of Jeyne we will have every third scene telling the story of Ramsay falling in love with the queen of Qohor (who will be replacing Jeyne).

Also, Robb and talisa 2.0: Trystane and Iso-- erm.. Myrcella.

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I also can see Euron being delayed until season 6 given what they have to cover next season and that his story line could easilly be delayed based on what we know they are covering. Young Griff/Aegon I don't think they will cut that entirely, but they may delay/amend it to fit with TV.


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I also can see Euron being delayed until season 6 given what they have to cover next season and that his story line could easilly be delayed based on what we know they are covering. Young Griff/Aegon I don't think they will cut that entirely, but they may delay/amend it to fit with TV.

I think fAegon is definitely getting cut, and would be even if they were going to do 8 seasons, because 1) they probably think the backstory is too complicated for TV (really, if they think Tysha is too much, what are they going to think about the Blackfyres?) and 2) they don't think the audience would react well to the bait and switch of secret Targaryen reveal - fake Targaryen reveal - another secret Targaryen reveal, especially since the show has had zero hints about Jon's Targaryen parentage.

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Why does everyone seem to believe (f)aegon is axed from the show?

please explain.

There have been no casting announcements or leaks that could plausibly be Aegon and JonCon. Since those two can be introduced as Griff and Young Griff, there wasn't a need to be particularly coy about their casting.

Arienne does not exist in the show and Elia Sand was not cast; those are the two Dornish characters that would interact with Aegon in season 5. Arienne is widely (though not uncontroversially) expected to marry Aegon in book 6, so her axing is seen as meaningful.

Oberyn had a chance to mention Aegon by name several times in season 4, and to talk about his head being smashed beyond recognition, but that didn't happen. If they were planning to introduce Aegon, you'd think they'd have been name dropping him.

Two secret Targaryan heirs is probably excessive for the three remaining seasons of GoT. Jon is the important secret Targaryan; Aegon runs a story risk of trampling over and minimizing Jon's big reveal.

And Trystane is being emphasized, which could mean that he is taking over Aegon's role in the plot. (Likable teenager backed by the Golden Company and Dornish army that conquers Kings Landing from the south, finishes the destruction of the Lannisters, and is ultimately destroyed by Dany).

But he could be a secret small part in season 5 or he could be introduced in season 6.

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With the Greyjoy uncles having yet to be cast I'd assume that storyline will be severely trimmed or removed as well. I can't see how pushing it back until next season would allow for the plot timing to align well, but I suppose TV magic has pulled off miracles before.

This one will be a head scratcher , one season of 10 episodes is short space to cover 2 long books (granted that large swaths of those books needed condensing for a visual narrative drama of only ~540 minuets , I never have figured out where that 'left over' hour went!!).

D&D have said they would stick with the story's broad strokes. Well the published Tyrion excerpt from Winds implies that the Breaking of the Siege of Meereen will be several chapters.

That excerpt had the Iron Fleet showing up for the battle. The 'Meereen' fleet could be the sub but that seems a odd convolution for the story. Anyway the Ironborn seem to have a role to play beyond the battle , if it's an important one really does violence to the 'broad strokes' approach.

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Why does everyone seem to believe (f)aegon is axed from the show?

please explain.

There's no real evidence either way. There may still be casting announcements to come, however given the only character slated to have interaction with Aegon other than tyrion is Arrianne(SO FAR)-and by all accounts she's cut-it would seem his story may not affect show favorites all that much and therefore will not be included.

I assume he'll meet Jorah sooner and more will be made of their time together ion volantis and their time as slaves. no need for more actors that way.

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With the exception of the three main characters not in AFFC (Dany, Tyrion, and Jon) it looks like season 5 is not only emphasizing the Dornish plot but also covering more of AFFC than ADWD. They can't do much for the core three characters right now since their only material from this point on comes from ADWD (and that includes Davos but they're probably scrapping and replacing his exploits in White Harbor anyway), everyone else we've seen in the show had some material in AFFC: Sam, Jaime, Cersei, Sansa, Arya, Asha, and with the omission of Bran from season 5, I think season 6 will bring in everyone (or at least a television equivalent) who's being left out this season (Euron, Aeron, JonCon, Victarion, etc).


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Why does everyone seem to believe (f)aegon is axed from the show?

please explain.

There's this link apparently from season 5's filming as well.

http://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/closeup-2.jpg

If Tyrion and Dany are together that quickly, seems to reason they're grazing over the Aegon plot completely.

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