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Not counting things that are almost certainly on George's plate to cover in the last Song of Ice and Fire novels, D&E, or F&B (say, what happened at Summerhall, etc), or other intentional mysteries (what was in the Dornish letter to Aegon) - what does TWoI&F not cover that you are really curious about history wise?

For me its...

1 - How did Maesters become a cultural institution althrough mainland Westeros? I would guess it relates to the Citadel and the Starry Sept have a historic relationship in Old Town, and they spread with the Faith, but then how did Maesters become a fixture for Northern lords?

I would be one thing if Maester was just a job description, but it's not - the Citadel makes it an organized institution. Lords have to accept the Citadel's authority to assign them trusted Maesters, and given the population bias toward worship of the Seven, that's a big leap for Northern Lords to make. Did Maesters perhaps not become a Northern fixture till after the Conquest?

This question IS addressed with regard to the Iron Islands in the text.

2 - We know there is some cultural tension between Dorne and the Faith (over things like acceptance of homosexuality, paramours, the social status of women, etc), even though (other than the Orphans) the Dornish uphold the Seven by the wide-margin. Pre-Unification, how much worse was this? Did the faithful of Dorne go full schism over the High Septon's crowning of Aegon? Through the reign of the Conciliator until Dorne joined the realm, when the Faith supported the Iron Throne's right to rule, what was the status of Dornish septons? Or for that matter, did Dorne ever acknowledge the High Septon, or was that institution always seen a Reach front, and they followed their interpretation of the Seven-Pointed Star independently?

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Not counting things that are almost certainly on George's plate to cover in the last Song of Ice and Fire novels, D&E, or F&B (say, what happened at Summerhall, etc), or other intentional mysteries (what was in the Dornish letter to Aegon) - what does TWoI&F not cover that you are really curious about history wise?

For me its...

1 - How did Maesters become a cultural institution althrough mainland Westeros? I would guess it relates to the Citadel and the Starry Sept have a historic relationship in Old Town, and they spread with the Faith, but then how did Maesters become a fixture for Northern lords?

I would be one thing if Maester was just a job description, but it's not - the Citadel makes it an organized institution. Lords have to accept the Citadel's authority to assign them trusted Maesters, and given the population bias toward worship of the Seven, that's a big leap for Northern Lords to make? Did Maesters perhaps not become a Northern fixture till after the Conquest?

This question IS addressed with regard to the Iron Islands in the text.

2 - We know there is some cultural tension between Dorne and the Faith (over things like acceptance of homosexuality, paramours, the social status of women, etc), even though (other than the Orphans) the Dornish uphold the Seven by the wide-margin. Pre-Unification, how much worse was this? Did the faithful of Dorne go full schism over the High Septon's crowning of Aegon? Through the reign of the Conciliator until Dorne joined the realm, when the Faith supported the Iron Throne's right to rule, what was the status of Dornish septons? Or for that matter, did Dorne ever acknowledge the High Septon, or did was that institution always a Reach front, and they followed their interpretation of the Seven-Pointed Star independently?

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Not counting things that are almost certainly on George's plate to cover in the last Song of Ice and Fire novels, D&E, or F&B (say, what happened at Summerhall, etc), or other intentional mysteries (what was in the Dornish letter to Aegon) - what does TWoI&F not cover that you are really curious about history wise?

For me its...

1 - How did Maesters become a cultural institution althrough mainland Westeros? I would guess it relates to the Citadel and the Starry Sept have a historic relationship in Old Town, and they spread with the Faith, but then how did Maesters become a fixture for Northern lords?

I would be one thing if Maester was just a job description, but it's not - the Citadel makes it an organized institution. Lords have to accept the Citadel's authority to assign them trusted Maesters, and given the population bias toward worship of the Seven, that's a big leap for Northern Lords to make. Did Maesters perhaps not become a Northern fixture till after the Conquest?

This question IS addressed with regard to the Iron Islands in the text.

2 - We know there is some cultural tension between Dorne and the Faith (over things like acceptance of homosexuality, paramours, the social status of women, etc), even though (other than the Orphans) the Dornish uphold the Seven by the wide-margin. Pre-Unification, how much worse was this? Did the faithful of Dorne go full schism over the High Septon's crowning of Aegon? Through the reign of the Conciliator until Dorne joined the realm, when the Faith supported the Iron Throne's right to rule, what was the status of Dornish septons? Or for that matter, did Dorne ever acknowledge the High Septon, or was that institution always seen a Reach front, and they followed their interpretation of the Seven-Pointed Star independently?

1. It seems the Citadel might predate the Andals, so Maesters might have been around before the Faith. How widespread theywere at that poin remains unknown, as well as what their original job was like, since the Andals brought writing to Westeros, and thus there are no written sources.

2. Yes, the history of Dorne's relationship with the Faith would be interesting to know.

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I imagine the pre-Andal Citadel was something akin to Plato's Academy, where wise men of the First Men came together to debate and learn from one another. I suppose that legacy could have kept Northern Wise Men coming South even after Andal conquest, and when they eventually started returning wearing chains and carrying parchment, wielding the secrets of Andal writing, their lords took advantage...


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1. More about noble houses other than the great ones. I want their origins, heraldry, motto, keeps, valyrian steel swords, minor bannermen sworn to them,...



2. The missing family trees about the great houses.



3. The inclusion in the region maps of all the keeps of the main lords of each region. It's a shame that the "Lands" and the "World Book" have been published and we still don't know the location of significant castles.


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1. A little more information on minor houses that I'm personally fond of--like the Mormonts.



2. Everything to do with the east. I want Yandel to suddenly be given a totally true accounting of everything that is going on in the east and tell me, especially about Yi Ti, Ashaai, and the Shadow.



3. I'd like a section detailing all the religions and their beliefs for every non-Westeros place.


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I imagine the pre-Andal Citadel was something akin to Plato's Academy, where wise men of the First Men came together to debate and learn from one another. I suppose that legacy could have kept Northern Wise Men coming South even after Andal conquest, and when they eventually started returning wearing chains and carrying parchment, wielding the secrets of Andal writing, their lords took advantage...

I have always considered the reason the North and even some Wildlings uses the Common language is because the Andals brought writing, and the Maesters probably took it North, and the Watch, soon filled with people speaking Common soon spread it to the Wildlings living close to the Wall, while the Wildlings living far from the Wall retained the Old Tongue.

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1. More about noble houses other than the great ones. I want their origins, heraldry, motto, keeps, valyrian steel swords, minor bannermen sworn to them,...

2. The missing family trees about the great houses.

3. The inclusion in the region maps of all the keeps of the main lords of each region. It's a shame that the "Lands" and the "World Book" have been published and we still don't know the location of significant castles.

Ayeeee.

A list of houses which range from the greatest of lords to a single knight is... confusing.

Having a list of say the top 15 in each region would just be the best thing ever.

Like how I've always held the Marbrands, Braxs, Lefford, Crakehalls in high regard in terms of power, but who the hell are the Kyndalls? They could literally change everything.

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I'd want to know more about Robert's rebellion. More about when battles were fought and where. Do we know all the battles? Probably not. More about Ned and Robert as commanders too.

Yeah like honestly the Roberts Rebellion sections was so weak.

"That tale is to well known to warrant repeating here" should have been the title :P

The tale is not well known at all. It works for say the Rhaegar & Lyanna stuff, but you can't even tell us about a few battles...

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I want a LOT more on the recent Starks, starting with Ned's parents. The Targaryens are always named with the Dragons they rode. Is there a similar list with Direwolves and the Starks?

I'm pretty sure Ned's children are the only Starks in knowable memory to keep direwolves as pets.

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The family tree and house words for (...) Cleganes, plus some personal stuff about their recent generations.

THe family tree for the cleganes is fairly simple, as the house started only three generations ago. It goes like: Grandfather, father, and then Gregor+Sandor+sister. And I suspect that houses as small and as recent as Clegane may not have any motto.

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The fact that Mama Martell still doesn't have a name is driving me nuts, especially since there were several spots where it could have been dropped in quite easily.



And yeah, good call on Dorne and the Faith. I imagine there was some tension after the High Septon in Old Town crowned Aegon. I feel sorry for the poor Septon whose job it was to tell Princess Meria that the gods think she should bend the knee. She probably threw him out a window.



I'm betting all the Seven worshiping kingdoms had, um, interesting relations with the High Septon, much like Western Europe's relationship with the papacy before the Reformation. And the image of the Faith Militant trying to go in there and put people on trial for premarital sex is hilarious.



I'm not too upset about Summerhall, since it's clearly meant to be answered at some point.


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I'm pretty sure Ned's children are the only Starks in knowable memory to keep direwolves as pets.

I don't think so. Ned must have known it was OK to domesticate these savage animals. These are killer wolves around children, Rickon is a toddler!

I too wanted some stories about Stark Kings and their wolves. Maybe when we get down into the Stark Crypts and sledgehammer that obstruction into the lower levels we'll get some Direwolf names

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