Mithras Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 ... die a tragic death while saving the Realm from the Others? Is this the best conclusion for the arcs of any of them? Are there any clues/foreshadowing for their demise in this manner? Or is this ending very Georgian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alysanne™ Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Personally I don't think any of those three will die in such a manner(If they ever die), I don't see the whole "sacrificing life for mankind" as something GRRM will write. The sacrifices in the story seem to be more about a sacrifice of wishes and desires which ties in with the whole human heart in conflict, which is what GRRM is more interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrio Fo-real Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Because these are main characters the whole series is based on and if they are going to die, it better be in a blaze of dragin riding, valerian steel swinging, Westeros saving glory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 Because these are main characters the whole series is based on and if they are going to die, it better be in a blaze of dragin riding, valerian steel swinging, Westeros saving glory Ned was the main character of AGoT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alysanne™ Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Because these are main characters the whole series is based on and if they are going to die, it better be in a blaze of dragin riding, valerian steel swinging, Westeros saving glory If any of my favourite characters were to die I would obviously love for them to die that way but I don't see why GRRM would write a character's death that way just cause they were popular. Ned was the main character of AGoT. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Muradin the Small Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 There might be a foreshadowing of Stannis being doomed (blue eyed king with no shadow/something). Of course, it could also hint to the fact he has shadow babies :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lullipop Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Why do so many people think that Dany/Jon/Stannis will ...... get married? Because people are starting to think they should totally get married. :dunno: No, but seriously: I think it's the Ned Stark effect? Everyone thought Ned was the main character of the series and look what happened to him. Now, how these three are looking like main characters, we sorta are expecting them do die?If not that, I'm sure there is some literally trope that make us expect them to die, because even if the reader never read something of the like, tropes ingrain themselves in the popular imaginary, but I'm not sure of the details or examples to talk more for now. I'm going to do a quick research! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 There might be a foreshadowing of Stannis being doomed (blue eyed king with no shadow/something). Of course, it could also hint to the fact he has shadow babies :P He saw a vision in which his burning crown turned him into ash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Goat Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Of those three I consider Stannis the most likely to die, but I imagine that Jon is the one most likely to die fighting the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Because based on all evidence this doesn't seem to be a "and they lived happily ever after" kind of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 Because based on all evidence this doesn't seem to be a "and they lived happily ever after" kind of story. but it might be "and they lived miserably ever after" kind of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Muradin the Small Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 He saw a vision in which his burning crown turned him into ash. Oh yeah, forgot about that totally. Seriously, he should quit by now -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronn Urgandy Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 THREESOME!... Sorry. Its the goal of Jon and Stannis to fight the Others, and from what we've seen of Danearys its apparently her destiny, in a traditional story that indicates that the former two die and the latter wins the day, despite the former two being more noble, in my opinion, think Boromir vs Aragorn. This isn't that traditional of a story though, and Boromir is GRRM's fave LOTR character, so people curveball and say Dany will die. Stannis is a foregone to die, for most people, since his destiny doesn't truly appear to be his own but Dany's, but his goal is still noble, which indicates the classic tragic hero, add in no POV chapters and we have the recipe for a gonner. Jon and Dany are the ones that make you wonder. But we're 5 books in and I make no assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I am actually inclined to think that none of the three will die in such fashion and that Jon will not die at all. The way I see it, the foreshadowing points to Daenerys dying while giving birth; Jon resisting his last and greatest temptation and remaining at the Wall (or what is left of it); and Stannis slipping past the moral horizon and creating that abomination seen in Shireen's dreams and Daenerys' visions at the House of the Undying (probably by burning Shireen alive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 ....make a hilarious 'Will and Grace' type sitcom? Hopefully :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 ....make a hilarious 'Will and Grace' type sitcom? Hopefully :) More like Dharma and Greg... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 Just noticed that the thread title is provoking :) THREESOME!... Sorry. Well, someone said two kings to wake the dragon right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Just noticed that the thread title is provoking :) Well, someone said two kings to wake the dragon right? ahahhahahaha good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Stannis fans need him to do something important before he dies to justify their misplaced love. I don't know any Dany fans that think she'll die saving the realm from the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Stannis fans need him to do something important before he dies to justify their misplaced love. I don't know any Dany fans that think she'll die saving the realm from the Others. At the current point in the story, Stannis has already done way more for the survival of Westeros than Dany. Not that it's a pissing contest, but if you want to turn it into one... So no, Stannis has already done plenty to "justify" any "misplaced love". Not that I'm ruling out the possibility that Dany and/or Jon will eventually eclipse his accomplishments, because yeah their raw potential (from a literary point of view) is way bigger. I don't "need" Stannis to die, I just expect him to - others have already laid out why it seems to be hinted at, hell the man himself expects it. And I think he's worth supporting anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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