Seaworth'sShipmate Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Would Lysa Arryn really have shoved Sansa out of the Moondoor? Or was she just doing that to teach her niece a lesson on not being immoral and flirtatious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Since she murdred Jon arryn just so she could have littlefinger, I think she really would have shoved sansa out the moondoor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faydra Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 In the heat of the moment, yes, on the long run, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I'd say no, but I wouldn't be suprised had she thrwon her out either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrio Fo-real Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Lysa was downright batshit crazy. Yes Sansa was going out that moondoor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Probably. I'm not sure about her doing it in the show though. On one hand, show Lysa's less sympathetic to me. On the other, she says "look down" and really didn't seem to be trying to throw her in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworth'sShipmate Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 Probably. I'm not sure about her doing it in the show though. On one hand, show Lysa's less sympathetic to me. On the other, she says "look down" and really didn't seem to be trying to throw her in. Show Lysa is less sympathetic? I think book Lysa is way more of a monster than is shown. When Cat arrives with Tyrion, Robert asks her if "we can make the little man fly?" Making people "fly" seems to be something he is familiar with. I'd hate to think even Lysa made it common practice for her 5-6 year old son to watch her fling criminals to their deaths, but it appears that is the case. I can't picture Jon Arryn letting that happen, or even using a moon door for execution to begin with. It sounds far more inhumane than simple beheading. Then again, Jon did keep the sky cells... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maid So Fair Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Then again, Jon did keep the sky cells... Well, what was he supposed to do, demolish that part of the castle? We don't know if he used them, even if it's likely. As for Lysa, of course she would have. She was insane, jealous and paranoid. Sansa, with her beauty, youth and resemblance to Cat, was her worst living nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 @Lord Arryn The Moon Door and the Sky Cells are part of being an Arryn. It's like the Starks and beheading people personally. I say she's less sympathetic because in the books Lysa had miscarriages, stillbirths, a bad relationship with her father... among other things to screw her up and many of her actions are driven by love for her son, where as in the show she has no tragic backstory and does everything for a skeevy, old scumbag like LF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworth'sShipmate Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 @Lord Arryn The Moon Door and the Sky Cells are part of being an Arryn. It's like the Starks and beheading people personally. I say she's less sympathetic because in the books Lysa had miscarriages, stillbirths, a bad relationship with her father... among other things to screw her up and many of her actions are driven by love for her son, where as in the show she has no tragic backstory and does everything for a skeevy, old scumbag like LF. Not to mention, show Lysa kind of looks like a meth addict. I realize the moon doors part of the Arryn culture, but to have as a show for Robert's enjoyment? Thats sick. At least with Ned and Bran, Ned emphasized just how solemn and important what he was doing was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlmaid Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Or was she just doing that to teach her niece a lesson on not being immoral and flirtatious? She was teaching her a lesson on not being immortal if you ask me... :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Snow Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Lysa is pretty clearly out of her mind. I have no doubt she was going to kill Sansa. She murdered her husband for Littlefinger, and she hardly knew Sansa. Blood or not, Lysa really only cares about LF and her son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 True, but Lysa's insane. Ned isn't. A better question is, would a sane Lysa push Sansa out the Moon Door. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 True, but Lysa's insane. Ned isn't. A better question is, would a sane Lysa push Sansa out the Moon Door. :unsure: Since sane Lysa does not exist in the story your question is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Show Lysa is less sympathetic? I think book Lysa is way more of a monster than is shown. When Cat arrives with Tyrion, Robert asks her if "we can make the little man fly?" Making people "fly" seems to be something he is familiar with. I'd hate to think even Lysa made it common practice for her 5-6 year old son to watch her fling criminals to their deaths, but it appears that is the case. I can't picture Jon Arryn letting that happen, or even using a moon door for execution to begin with. It sounds far more inhumane than simple beheading. Then again, Jon did keep the sky cells... Well, that's the same Ned does... but: Not to mention, show Lysa kind of looks like a meth addict. I realize the moon doors part of the Arryn culture, but to have as a show for Robert's enjoyment? Thats sick. At least with Ned and Bran, Ned emphasized just how solemn and important what he was doing was. Ned doesn't strike me at the kind of character who would pass a death sentence on a wimp and he never told his sons "Kids, fun times! We have an execution ready. Bring the popcorn!" which seems to be the reaction Robert Arryn has. Then again, that boy is an epileptic, weaker and coward version of Joffrey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Would Lysa Arryn really have shoved Sansa out of the Moondoor? Or was she just doing that to teach her niece a lesson on not being immoral and flirtatious? Lysa was definitely capable of shoving Sansa out the Moon Door. Cat stole Petyr's heart from her when they were young, and years later she finally gets to have an affair with Petyr, kill her husband, marry Petyr, and no more Catelyn to possibly interfere with her perfect destined relationship. And then along comes younger, sexier Catelyn 2.0, to steal her Petyr from her ? BERSERK BUTTON PUSHED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat of the Rivers Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Lysa was emotionally volatile, accused Sansa of incidents that happened before Sansa was born (mixed her up with Catelyn), got Marillion to sing for them while barricading the doors so the guards couldn't come in and interfere, had a major jealous streak in her about Catelyn, shoved her out to the point where Sansa lost her shoe (and had to grab Lysa's braid to avoid being pushed out) and was drunk. Yes she definitely would have. Ned doesn't strike me at the kind of character who would pass a death sentence on a wimp and he never told his sons "Kids, fun times! We have an execution ready. Bring the popcorn!" which seems to be the reaction Robert Arryn has. Then again, that boy is an epileptic, weaker and coward version of Joffrey. He does get better under Sansa's care so it seems more like Lysa's parenting ruined him rather than naturally being a monster like Joffrey. I don't really think he gets that Moon Door=Death. After all he wanted to throw his porridge down the Moon Door so I think he's regards it as a place to throw out all of his annoyances out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 He does get better under Sansa's care so it seems more like Lysa's parenting ruined him rather than naturally being a monster like Joffrey. And older. SR is in no way like Joffrey. Just a badly parented boy. By the way, all children are psychopaths when they are four. The non-psychopathic stuff develops later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowHeart Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 It wouldn't have been a smart move but yeah, she was really that screwed up and in love with LF. In her twisted logic, Sansa had to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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