Roose on the Loose Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 The story of a hunting trip is largely about humans reacting to the behavior of animals. In this case it starts with a white hart who allows himself to be seen. White harts are rarely so careless, but they're liable do do any damn thing with a greenseer all up in their consciousness. Robert is a predictable dude and he reacts predictably. He chases the hart. Does Robert nab the legendary creature? no. Wolves warged by BR get the hart, but a great black boar allows himself to be sighted. Predictable Robert. A boar might not be as tempting as a genuine white hart, but it should certainly do for salvaging a shitty hunt. And I don't think the hart could have drawn Robert into the same close quarters combat that a boar can. What does the boar do? It kills the King. A little help from Cersei, but this boar, BR again, has probably watched Robert fight in a hundred melees, and knows all his moves. Why kill a fat old drunken sot of a king? Because Robert is trying to kill Dany. She is BR's great great niece, but I think BR somehow knows that Dany is the last dragon, and that Westeros needs her to deal with the Others. Although Robert does die before the dragons are born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 I don' like the idea of Bloodraven influencing this kind of things. It feels cheap, kinda like the end of Eragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose on the Loose Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 I don' like the idea of Bloodraven influencing this kind of things. It feels cheap, kinda like the end of Eragon. Did you think Westeros was run by kings and great lords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Did you think Westeros was run by kings and great lords? No, of course. There must be an omnipotent and omnipresent master puppeteer controlling everything and everyone. Otherwise, the story doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmaester Drew Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 No, of course. There must be an omnipotent and omnipresent master puppeteer controlling everything and everyone. Otherwise, the story doesn't make sense. You are being sarcastic, I hope... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Sometimes things happen. Due to the almost omnipotent and omniscient people is given to Brynden Rivers, I am beginning to start to hate the Bloodraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 No, of course. There must be an omnipotent and omnipresent master puppeteer controlling everything and everyone. Otherwise, the story doesn't make sense. Don't bring LF into this Bloodraven thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 You are being sarcastic, I hope... :) What do you think? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 -sigh- Believe it or not things can happen in Westeros without Bloodraven being involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose on the Loose Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 Kings in this story almost never get what they want. The only characters who set goals and achieve them are people like Varys, LF and BR. Tywin got things done because he was a player. Inheriting Casterly Rock was just dumb luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow282 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Why kill a fat old drunken sot of a king? Because Robert is trying to kill Dany. She is BR's great great niece, but I think BR somehow knows that Dany is the last dragon, and that Westeros needs her to deal with the Others. Although Robert does die before the dragons are born. No he wasn't, he called that off so Ned would stay as the Hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSB Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 No, of course. There must be an omnipotent and omnipresent master puppeteer controlling everything and everyone. Otherwise, the story doesn't make sense. i think there must be two similarly positioned, in terms of knowledge and power/influence, yet diametrically opposed, in terms of goals or desired outcomes; the true eponymous players of the game. which is clearly chess, in all but name, and despite the life or death predicament the pieces perceive themselves as being in, those who are the real movers and takers are often friends, often sitting across the same table. two people with superhuman abilities, ambivalent, hostile, friendly, maybe even kin to one another.........and when all is done, on the board, it starts all over again. of course in chess, the king is an un-take-able piece, always surviving, and rarely sees combat due to his weak physical abilities. under threat, he is obliged protection, no matter the risk or cost. is there a metaphor for an abundance of metaphors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erza Whitewalker Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 i think there must be two similarly positioned, in terms of knowledge and power/influence, yet diametrically opposed, in terms of goals or desired outcomes; the true eponymous players of the game. which is clearly chess, in all but name, and despite the life or death predicament the pieces perceive themselves as being in, those who are the real movers and takers are often friends, often sitting across the same table. two people with superhuman abilities, ambivalent, hostile, friendly, maybe even kin to one another.........and when all is done, on the board, it starts all over again. of course in chess, the king is an un-take-able piece, always surviving, and rarely sees combat due to his weak physical abilities. under threat, he is obliged protection, no matter the risk or cost. is there a metaphor for an abundance of metaphors? I think it would be funny if there were really only two players in the shadows and Littlefinger turned out to be a piece himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose on the Loose Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 Robert: The girl Daenerys. Only a child, you were right . . . that's why, the girl . . . the gods sent the boar . . . sent to punish me The Old Gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSB Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I think it would be funny if there were really only two players in the shadows and Littlefinger turned out to be a piece himself! little-tiny-finger is so a piece. he is a p®awn, made to feel like a lobster, by the fisherman. believing you are a lobster, then discovering you are a prawn, is more humbling than a lifelong understanding of prawn reality. patchface explained it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikkensmakersmark Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 No he wasn't, he called that off so Ned would stay as the Hand. Not exactly. Before going hunting, Robert told Ned that Ned had to be the Hand, and that Dany had to die. When he got back from the hunt he repented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I thought the boar worked for Littlefinger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose on the Loose Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 -sigh- Believe it or not things can happen in Westeros without Bloodraven being involved. That's what BR wants you to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I thought the boar worked for Littlefinger?In a sense...It wasn't the eunuch. Varys told king and council about Daenerys being pregnant to drive a wedge between the Ned and Robert. He wanted Robert alive though--it was not yet time to parade the bastards in front of Cersei's brood and begin a crisis of succession--and that was why he was "helping" the Ned to "protect" Robert. But the Ned learned too much too quickly so Varys set him up to be ambushed by Jaime. Meanwhile Littlefinger saw that with Cat's capture of Tyrion and Tywin preparing for war it was time to spring the trap. But when Robert renamed The Ned as Hand Littlefinger knew he had to remove the Ned's principal backer from the board so he had word reach Cersei's ear of a monstrous boar..."Is there word of the king?" Ned demanded. "Just how long does Robert intend to hunt?""Given his preferences, I believe he'd stay in the forest until you and the queen both die of old age," Lord Petyr replied with a faint smile. "Lacking that, I imagine he'll return as soon as he's killed something. They found the white hart, it seems . . . or rather, what remained of it. Some wolves found it first, and left His Grace scarcely more than a hoof and a horn. Robert was in a fury, until he heard talk of some monstrous boar deeper in the forest. Then nothing would do but he must have it. Prince Joffrey returned this morning, with the Royces, Ser Balon Swann, and some twenty others of the party. The rest are still with the king."Doesn't that sound a lot like the way Petyr told Sansa he set up Joffrey with Olenna, but spreading stories about Joffrey's cruelty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 -sigh- Believe it or not things can happen in Westeros without Bloodraven being involved. Only if LF did it. Between the two of them, they have their fingers in every pie, so to speak. At least if you believe some people on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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