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Who would you betroth to who in the beginning of AGOT?


Malakai Kahn

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Title speaks for itself, if you were the parents of the unbetrothed children at the beginning of AGOT what matches do you think could possibly work?




Sansa Stark-Joffrey Baratheon...Makes sense, fathers are best friends and Second born child to House Stark is a fair suitor for a Royal Prince.


Robb Stark-Margery Tyrell...This match works out perfectly from Ned's perspective. No sense marrying Robb to Myrcella when the bond is made with Sansa and Joffrey.


Arya Stark-Quentyn Martell...Neither first in line and both from Major houses.


Bran Stark-Shireen Baratheon...2nd in line to inherit Winterfell with the Kings Niece seems fair.


Rickon Stark-Wylla Manderly...Nothing to add


Willas Tyrell-Arianne Martell...Ties The Tyrells and Martells


Quentyn Martell-Myrcella Baratheon...Makes more sense than Trystane


Tommen Baratheon-Asha Grreyjoy...Heir to Pyke


Samwell Tarly-Brienne Tarth...Somebody needs to be strong


Jon Snow-Dacey Mormont..A bastard son of Ned Stark isn't that terrible for House Mormont


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Willas/Arianne, no. They're both heirs, which means neither set of parents (disregarding Doran's plans) would agree. Garlan or Loras with Arianne (if Garlan were still single) is possible, but neither side seems interested in ending the feud so it wouldn't happen. Arianne aiming for heirs herself is either her not thinking this entirely through or part of her overall plan to fight the usurpation she thinks Quentyn is planning, by having the power of another Great House behind her.

Robb/Margaery... Assuming Mace is willing to agree, it's not a good idea from Ned's perspective. Yes, the North respects him, but he married south. His heir is half southron and looks very Tully. This is the time to honor one of the higher bannermen with Robb's hand, most likely this ends with Robb/Alys Karstark. (There's more to my reasoning but it's from the world book and I can't spoiler tag on my phone.) And I'm aware he agreed to marry a southerner, a Frey, but the circumstances weren't exactly normal.

You have Quentyn twice; that said, Arya wed to one Martell boy and Myrcella to the other works perfectly.

Rickon is too young for Wylla, he's three at this point. He'd be a better bet for a Mormont marriage - Maege has granddaughters, I believe, who would be closer in age. Jon might be best for the Manderlys despite being a bastard; Wynafred is heiress to White Harbor as far as I can tell, and a lower ranked husband who can't challenge her for control but still brings a tie to their Warden is useful for a ruling Lady. Though since an offer like that might be insulting Jon might be best with the Mormonts after all. But not Dacey; she's probably too old for him. In that case Rickon would have to wait, but again, he's three. They have time to find a suitably aged bride.

Asha is at least twice Tommen's age - Margaery is only seven or eight years older and the circumstances are atypical. Not to mention officially Theon is heir.

Bran/Shireen might work, and it makes him future consort to the Lady of Dragonstone. Brienne and Sam are both heirs, on opposite sides of Westeros, and Randyll would never allow it.

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I watched the 1st season before reading the books and hoped for a Robb+Dany to destroy the ugly Lannisters, and I knew that the title of the books is A Song of Ice and Fire, so Robb+Dany seemed to be a possibility...I've never been so wrong :D Felt so stupid during reading the books :D



I think these would be logical:


Joff+Sansa would happen, coz it was planned.


I think Arya would be engaged to little Robert Arryn. Ned makes his daughter marry his "father's" son OR Myrcella+Robert coz both of them in the Red Keep at the start and the Ned-Jon (Arryn) connection is the same as the Robert (Baratheon)-Jon (Arryn) one.


Shireen to marry Bran. Rickon for a northern girl like a Mormont or a Karstark coz the Karstarks were hurt that the Starks didn't marry them for a long time.


Robb+Margaery= Robb is inheritor of the North, Margaery can't inherit the Reach, the North is not wealthy but a good choice in political views. OR Quentyn+Margaery, the Reach and Dorne are ancient bitter enemies, but Doran wants the Targaryens come back and the Tyrells were loyal to Targaryens, also it'd be a great alliance.


Edmure+Asha, the Iron Islands are poor, but have a fleet, geographically close to the Riverlands, and since the riverlords are never united and thus that Greyjoy marriage could strengthen the Tullys.


And Ned tries to find a wife to Jon, but he still joins the Night's Watch. Ned would make a marriage between Theon and a northern girl (for example Alys Karstark) then send him back to the Iron Islands to be lord Greyjoy when Balon dies.


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Sansa Stark-Joffrey Baratheon...Makes sense, fathers are best friends and Second born child to House Stark is a fair suitor for a Royal Prince.

Agree.

Robb Stark-Margery Tyrell...This match works out perfectly from Ned's perspective. No sense marrying Robb to Myrcella when the bond is made with Sansa and Joffrey.

Why would the Tyrells liked their daughter to be condemned to a life in a relatively poor, boring and useless place when she could have much more important and useful Southorn marriages?

Arya Stark-Quentyn Martell...Neither first in line and both from Major houses.

Same as before; Why would Doran allow this useless marriage when he could have much more important and useful Southorn marriages?

Bran Stark-Shireen Baratheon...2nd in line to inherit Winterfell with the Kings Niece seems fair.

It could work.

Rickon Stark-Wylla Manderly...Nothing to add

Worst.pairing.ever.

Willas Tyrell-Arianne Martell...Ties The Tyrells and Martells

No it doesn't. An heir cannot marry another heir.

Quentyn Martell-Myrcella Baratheon...Makes more sense than Trystane

Trystane is much better pair for Myrc than Quent. Heck, both Quentyn and Trystane should had a Dornish marriage.

Tommen Baratheon-Asha Grreyjoy...Heir to Pyke

1. Theon was Balon's heir.

2. Worst.pairing.ever. #2

Samwell Tarly-Brienne Tarth...Somebody needs to be strong

Again they are both the heir. Plus it makes no sense.

Jon Snow-Dacey Mormont..A bastard son of Ned Stark isn't that terrible for House Mormont

No.

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If I'm Bobby B, I put a stop to my eldest brother and heir marrying a bullshit minor house that likes to bitch about having a claim to Highgarden, and instead marry him to Lynesse Hightower before she runs off with Jorah. A few years later I marry my younger brother Renly to Margery Tyrell, securing the loyalty of the Reach houses that were loyal to the Targs. Likewise, I do exactly as Tyrion did and ship Myrcella off to Dorne to wed Trystan.



Sansa Joffrey is a fantastic match for a lot of reasons. If Edmure ever died without heir Catlyn would inherit the Riverlands, and I could claim them for Joffrey saying I didn't want Ned ruling 2 kingdoms, Ned being my friend and uninterested in politics would obviously agree. That leaves Tommen for a later date, in case some need should arise, I have a bargaining chip in my back pocket.


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Robb and Myrcella, yes. She would have made a smart and sweet lady of Winterfell.

Joffrey and Margaery

Shireen and Bran.

Arya not betrothed to anyone. No.

Sansa and Edric Dayne. Or Sansa and Quentyn.

Tommen - kept backup to marry Marg after Joffrey's inevitable demise ;-)

Samwell and Jon(not a betrothal!) : are needed at the NW

Loras and Renly.

Mya Stone and Mychel Redfort ( I'll tell Lord Redfort I'm the king and my daughter weds whom she loves!)

Mix n matching the rest:

Arianne and Theon

Willas and Asha

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Betrothals between great houses seen in Ned's generation was not that common. Many children of LP marry their bannermen. Don't ship any of them, just what kind of make sense.

Robb and Wylla Manderly as she is from a loyal and powerful house.

Bran might end up with Lyanna Mormont.

Arianne might marry Cletus Yronwood to make peace between the house.

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Sansa to Joffrey - per the reasonings in the book at that moment.

Robb to ??? - honestly Robb's best northern match was with Alys Karstark, after her it's Wylla Manderly. Southron matches... besides the obvious Margaery/Robb pairing (doubtful considering Mace is aiming for a crown for his daughter's head), perhaps a descendent of Jocelyn Stark's or a descendent of Branda Stark from House Rogers? If not that, then a Royce or a Bracken would work.

Arya to Edric Dayne - if Arya is going to be betrothed and married at all it would be better for her personality for it to be a Dornish marriage. She already looks up to the Dornish lady hero Nymeria since she names her wolf that. In Dorne, Arya wouldn't expected to be just be some pretty arm candy who pops out babies right and left locked away in a tower nor would she be expected to be silent, opinionless, and stick to her her needlework. Instead she would be encouraged to have an active voice in the running of the household and train with a weapon if she so desires. Besides that House Dayne is a very old house with roots going back many thousands of years to the First Men (Starks look for First Men houses to marry first and foremost), is highly honorable and well-respected both in and out of Dorne. Many people would take the betrothal to be an informal confirmation that Ashara was Jon's mother, since the "betrothal" would likely be seen as an "apology" to the house (in other people's minds), though this would not be a reason for betrothing her to him. We also know that House Dayne is supercool with Ned for one bringing back their ancestral sword instead of keeping it as a spoils of war, and for some reason they indirectly nicknamed the heir to Starfall for Ned most likely for this action alone. Honestly, if Ned were to stop and consider his daughter's likes, personality, and dislikes (which he does seem to do in AGOT often enough to show he likely would), a Dornish betrothal is the way to go with Arya--either that or it would be best not to betrothe her to anyone at all.

The other possibility for Arya of course being Trystane Martell, if Ned is feeling politically motivated, but I see this as less likely.

Bran to Eddara Tallhart - a northern match to balance out the southron matches.

Rickon to a Mormont girl - another northern match to balance out the southron matches.

Edmure to Arianne - because when I read AFFC and heard this had actually been offered, I wanted to laugh at the pairing but simultaneously see it happen just for the heck of it. Have it arranged in the marriage liscence that eldest child--son or daughter--gets Dorne, while the next eldest gets the Riverlands.

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Sansa to Tyrion (unite North & West, Sansa becomes Lady of Casterly Rock one day)

Arya to Tommen (uniting of "Baratheon" and Stark, Arya future Lady of Storm's End? Not entirely certain who would get Storm's End)

Bran to Shireen (making Bran consort to the Lady of Dragonstone and again uniting Baratheon and Stark)

Sam to Margaery

Asha to Edmure

Rickon to Lyanna Mormont

Alys Karstark to Robb

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Sansa to Joffrey, and a purple wedding planned. Next wedding to Quentyn Martell

Robb to Daenerys in secret of course.

Arya to Trystane Martell cement the Northern/Dornish Ties for the Targaryen Takeover Conspiracy to get going

Bran to Malora Hightower(the mad maid) unwed eldest daughter of Lord Leyton, the perfect replacement for Tyrells as stewards of the Reach

Rickon to Shireen Baratheon

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I feel Ned wouldn't really want to marry his kids outside the North. He saw what happened with those betrothals.



For his kids, I'd say



Robb: there's a few options here. Alys Karstark was publicly discussed, and makes sense. Wylla Manderly is another option, and again makes sense. Ned may wish to throw his old pal Howland Reed a bone and propose a betrothal to Meera. So I'd go for Alys or Wylla or Meera. They're all around the same age as Robb. Two could help solidify Stark power, and a third could be for an old friend's sake.



Sansa: Joffrey. Robert wanted it, it was going to happen.



Arya: Not sure, she's definitely not the marrying type, at least right now. If Ned truly sees Lyanna in Arya, he'd wait a while before proposing a marriage for her.



Bran: Minor Northern girl. Probably someone like Berena Tallhart or one of the Mormont ladies.



Rickon: Another minor Northern girl. Erena Glover perhaps?


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IIRC, the Karstarks tried (rather subtly) to put Alys in as a potential for Robb but seemed it didn't work. Or, I'd have put her along with Wylla.

When I first read about a Stark/Martell betrothal, especially with a girl looking like Lyanna, I was surprised. But they are kind to Myrcella, so it would work.

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I actually just made a list of possible betrothals for Robb pre-GoT. Since Sansa was supposed to marry Joffrey I don't think Myrcella would be betrothed to Robb as both Robert & Cersei would hope for a politically useful southron match for her. Since Robb was meant to be the future


Lord of the North as opposed to King of the North & Riverlands, Ned would probably want him to marry a Northern girl, especially since Robb is half southron & looks Tully, he should have a Northern wife to prove that he (and his heirs) are true Northmen. The most likely Northern girls would be Alys Karstark or Wylla Manderly, both Robb's age & from major houses. Greatjon Umber has at least 2 daughters, we don't know their age or if they're already married (or even how many there are); one might be suitable for Robb. We don't know the exact age of Lyra & Jorelle Mormont, their older sister Alysane is in her mid-20s & their younger sister Lyanna is 8 at the beginning of GoT. However, the Mormonts are not as rich and powerful and important as the Karstarks or Umbers and certainly the Manderlys. Bronze Yohn Royce in the Vale has at least 2 daughters, one of whom, Ysilla, married Mychel Redfort right before GoT; there have been several Stark-Royce marriages in the past, the Royces follow the Old Gods, Ned & Yohn respect each other, Ned largely grew up in the Vale...so maybe a Royce daughter. So the most likely brides for Robb would have been Wylla Manderly, Alys Karstark and maybe a daughter of the Greatjon or Yohn Royce if there was a suitable one around his age.



Sansa would of course been betrothed to Joffrey. Of course if Ned knew what Joffrey was really like he would have looked for another powerful southron match, a major lord or an heir to one; maybe Willas Tyrell, heir to the Reach, although he's twice Sansa's age and Mace probably wouldn't consent. Ned might also decide that Sansa would be good at supporting fragile Sweetrobin who is the future lord of the Vale. Or she could marry Andar Royce, Yohn Royce's eldest son & heir, although he's considerably older than her. Maybe a young riverlord or heir to one, one of Edmure's friends?



There aren't really any Northern boys around Arya's age (that we've heard of), and I think that Ned would want to keep her in the North...but if not, I think that she'd be good w/ Edric Dayne, an important lord in his own right. Unless her parents made her marry Sweetrobin (wouldn't that have been fun to watch).



Bran & especially Rickon were probably too young for betrothals. Bran & Lyanna Mormont is a possibility; also, if Shireen Baratheon is heir to Dragonstone, Bran could marry her and become Lord of Dragonstone.

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Sansa would of course been betrothed to Joffrey. Of course if Ned knew what Joffrey was really like he would have looked for another powerful southron match, a major lord or an heir to one; maybe Willas Tyrell, heir to the Reach, although he's twice Sansa's age and Mace probably wouldn't consent. Ned might also decide that Sansa would be good at supporting fragile Sweetrobin who is the future lord of the Vale. Or she could marry Andar Royce, Yohn Royce's eldest son & heir, although he's considerably older than her. Maybe a young riverlord or heir to one, one of Edmure's friends?

I don't think Mace would have a problem with Sansa marrying Willas; it's a prestigious match, and he doesn't have any particular dynastic aspirations for him that we know of, unlike Margaery. I'm less sure that Ned would propose such a match, though -- the houses, when they marry outside their own borders, under normal circumstances tend to look to their immediate neighbours, which would be the Vale and the Riverlands (which also happen to be the regions Ned has the most connection to anyway).

I think a good shortlist (in no particular order apart from Joffrey, who is obviously the #1 most desirable choice sight-unseen) of eligible men for Sansa would be:

1. Joffrey

2. Andar Royce (if he's unmarried; he doesn't have a wife listed, so perhaps; you could ask the same question about Jasper Redfort)

3. Brynden Blackwood

4. Patrek Mallister

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