Return of the King

[DSB]

the true king of all the lands lives under a false identity.

he joins a boundary protecting ancient brotherhood

some smaller weaker folk get his help to defend themselves

a sword is remade and gifted to him by an old wise leader

redheaded, fierce and beautiful sheildmaiden loves him, but despite some mutual attraction, he must keep his vow.

keeping the vow means the woman he loves will die.

he partakes in the exodus of a large column, more women and children than fighters, a desperate race to reach the unbreakable wall, then some horse/giant wolf shenanigans, and he is separated.

grim and dour, doubts plague him about the past and future.

jon snow? no, its aragorn, from lotr.

and jon snow, obviously. this is not really a negative thread, though i suppose the more zealous supporters of author may see it as such.

i am more interested in the ongoing parallels.............aragorn came late to the party, in terms of the final conflict - but he came mob handed, though - with a army of the un-dead at his back.

the enemy he fights has transitioned from horse to flying lizards, dragons in all but name and flame.

khaleesi. m.o.d.

but even his army of the dead is only a distraction, a battle to draw the one eye from the real hope of salvation, a fat dude, called sam, who he fears has been sent to his death, by him (jon/aragorn)

so that would mean jon v dany, jon + ww/wights, and fat sam destroying something.........

wheres gollum? whats that smell?

[Giant of Tarth]

Aragorn didn't come late to the final conflict, he led it at the black gates. He came late to Minas Tirith, but not with an army of the dead-unless the movie is your only source. Redheaded Shieldmaiden? I think that's a personal fantasy, yours to enjoy.

[IceFire125]

Jon and Aragorn similarities

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/117963-jon-snow-and-aragorn-similarities/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/117963-jon-snow-and-aragorn-similarities/

[DSB]

Aragorn didn't come late to the final conflict, he led it at the black gates. He came late to Minas Tirith, but not with an army of the dead-unless the movie is your only source. Redheaded Shieldmaiden? I think that's a personal fantasy, yours to enjoy.

the final battle, if you call the feign at the black gate a battle, was indeed led by aragorn.

the arrival at the last battle, not won by default due to destruction of the ring, was late, and with undead army. i've the read the books a dozen times at least, thanks, and no living man joins him under the mountain.

handy too was the fact his sword glowed like the stars, so he could see under there.........bringing light, so to speak.

the redhead is the neice of the king of rohan, who describes herself as a shieldmaiden, and is serious too - slaying the witch-king of angmar.

she 'loves' aragorn, but gets knocked back due to his betrothal to arwen, who is doomed to a long but mortal life for staying in m.e. as his queen.

i think you should commit more sincerely to being right, before adopting such a pompous stance.

[DSB]

Jon and Aragorn similarities

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/117963-jon-snow-and-aragorn-similarities/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/117963-jon-snow-and-aragorn-similarities/

ah, thanks, if any (mods/overlords) who can put my op into that thread wish to do so, please go ahead.

i tried searching for various lotr references, but not aragorn alone.

[Ser Cold Fingers]

Welcome to the forums.

[DSB]

Welcome to the forums.

hi, thanks.

[Giant of Tarth]

the final battle, if you call the feign at the black gate a battle, was indeed led by aragorn.

the arrival at the last battle, not won by default due to destruction of the ring, was late, and with undead army. i've the read the books a dozen times at least, thanks, and no living man joins him under the mountain.

handy too was the fact his sword glowed like the stars, so he could see under there.........bringing light, so to speak.

the redhead is the neice of the king of rohan, who describes herself as a shieldmaiden, and is serious too - slaying the witch-king of angmar.

she 'loves' aragorn, but gets knocked back due to his betrothal to arwen, who is doomed to a long but mortal life for staying in m.e. as his queen.

i think you should commit more sincerely to being right, before adopting such a pompous stance.

"Very fair was her face, and her long hair was like a river of gold." Where do you see red? He used a dead army but let them go days before the battle.

[shadow282]

He lets them go days before the battle? So what exactly does he use them for? Seems like a waste to get them then let them go without doing anything.

[Giant of Tarth]

He lets them go days before the battle? So what exactly does he use them for? Seems like a waste to get them then let them go without doing anything.

He uses them to get the ships.

[DSB]

"Very fair was her face, and her long hair was like a river of gold." Where do you see red? He used a dead army but let them go days before the battle.

gold can be tinged red, and she is described as having red in her hair, at least.

edit: or not, so both were loved by sheildmaidens, but of differing hair colours.

well now theres just no comparison at all.

[Giant of Tarth]

gold can be tinged red, and she is described as having red in her hair, at least.

It can, but it doesn't have to. " And so they stood on the walls of the City of Gondor, and a great wind rose and blew, and their hair, raven and golden, streamed out mingling in the air."

[juanml82]

IIRC, in the books Aragorn uses the undead to take the ships from the corsairs from Umbar and then leads reinforcements from the southern "provinces" (or whatever) of Gondor to the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.

There are bound to be parallels, but I'm not sure how many, if any, are intentional

[Lord Lannister]

Eowyn was always a blonde. No getting around that one.

[The Reckoner]

Jon will be the king in the sense of being the rightful king...but no one's going to give a fuck about it with the undead and winter bearing down on them.

[Lord Lannister]

Jon being the "rightful king" has a number of obstacles.

1) Rhaegar and Lyanna would need to be married, otherwise he's just a bastard.

2) Aegon's ahead of him in the line of succession so he would need to be proven false

3) This is the big one, even if Howland or Benjen tell Jon the truth, good luck convincing everyone else.

[DSB]

Jon being the "rightful king" has a number of obstacles.

1) Rhaegar and Lyanna would need to be married, otherwise he's just a bastard.

2) Aegon's ahead of him in the line of succession so he would need to be proven false

3) This is the big one, even if Howland or Benjen tell Jon the truth, good luck convincing everyone else.

a lawyer king would certainly need to fulfill such a criteria, an actual king can just keep killing and threatening people who deny his kinglyness.

robert baratheon employed such a tactic, as did aegon 1.

as are stannis, and dany, and renly did. and euron.

words are wind, only those already in power favor complex rules regarding its transference.

honor survives any act, when justification is believed to be adequate.

[Lord Lannister]

a lawyer king would certainly need to fulfill such a criteria, an actual king can just keep killing and threatening people who deny his kinglyness.

robert baratheon employed such a tactic, as did aegon 1.

as are stannis, and dany, and renly did. and euron.

words are wind, only those already in power favor complex rules regarding its transference.

honor survives any act, when justification is believed to be adequate.

And you think Jon Snow is this type of person? For some reason I've gotten a different vibe than that. Even if you do, who's backing him so he can do all this power grabbing, killing and threatening?

[IceFire125]

Jon being the "rightful king" has a number of obstacles.

1) Rhaegar and Lyanna would need to be married, otherwise he's just a bastard.

2) Aegon's ahead of him in the line of succession so he would need to be proven false

3) This is the big one, even if Howland or Benjen tell Jon the truth, good luck convincing everyone else.

GRRM placed Jon with and in him, many hints and foreshadowing clues of his royal blood and heritage, he would surely need to set up the right conditions of events that will confirm those clues and hints.

Because since the beginning... it's always been on Jon's shoulder that the heavy burden of the world is being set upon.

Tyrion felt sorry for the boy (Jon). He had chosen a hard life… or perhaps he should say that a hard life had been chosen for him.

Just like the burden that was placed on his Father.

“But I am not certain it was in Rhaegar to be happy.”

“You make him sound so sour,” Dany protested.

“Not sour, no, but … there was a melancholy to Prince Rhaegar, a sense …” The old man hesitated again.

“Say it,” she urged. “A sense …?”

“… of doom. He was born in grief, my queen, and that shadow hung over him all his days.”

“Prince Rhaegar’s prowess was unquestioned, but he seldom entered the lists. He never loved the song of swords the way that Robert did, or Jaime Lannister. It was something he had to do, a task the world had set him. He did it well, for he did everything well. That was his nature. But he took no joy in it.

Likewise, Jon will take no joy in his command... as King.

“the same counsel that I once gave my brother when we parted for the last time. He was three-and-thirty when the Great Council chose him to mount the Iron Throne.

...

The old man felt Jon’s face. “You are half the age that Egg was, and your own burden is a crueler one, I fear. You will have little joy of your command, but I think you have the strength in you to do the things that must be done. Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born.”

[Giant of Tarth]

a lawyer king would certainly need to fulfill such a criteria, an actual king can just keep killing and threatening people who deny his kinglyness.

robert baratheon employed such a tactic, as did aegon 1.

But your premise is that he is comparable to Aragorn not Aegon