Is this quote really referring only to Sansa?

[Once]

The northern girl. Winterfell’s daughter. We heard she killed the king with a spell, and afterward changed into a wolf with big leather wings like a bat, and flew out a tower window. But she left the dwarf behind and Cersei means to have his head.

Let's disect it:

There is no name mentioned, so it could apply to both Arya and Sansa.

The idea of Sansa and knowing spells was noted by Arya:

That's stupid, Arya thought. Sansa knows only songs, not spells, and she'd neevr marry the Imp.

Arya seems to be going in the route of learning spells, espcially glamour. Although, potions like the one she is learning can count for spells. Jaqen used Basilik's Blood and all thought it was the Ghost of Harrenhal who did that. Potions can be spells. And she had changed faces, this is definitely magic, albeit someone helped her.

Sansa has no connection with magic. The one connection she had, Lady, died.

Change into a winged wolf is something Arya has dreamed of:

I wish I could change into a wolf and grow wings and fly away.

This is unusual. Who asks to be a wolf to fly? No one. GRRM is hinting towards something. Also Sansa is never compared to winged wolves, only birds. Little bird, little dove etc.

On the part about the tower window, Jeyne Poole, who is impersonating Arya, escaped through one but didn't fly. She is no wolf, and thus she has no wings.

I'm not saying this doesn't referr to Sansa, I'm saying it's referring to something that hasn't happened yet and it involves Arya.

Masterful writing if I'm right.

[shadow282]

Sorry but no. It's not a prophecy or a dream or a vision, it's just what a random person says. Foreshadowing that way would be kinda ridiculous.

[Once]

Sorry but no. It's not a prophecy or a dream or a vision, it's just what a random person says. Foreshadowing that way would be kinda ridiculous.

Many use it as a foreshadowing for Sansa though, e.g. Sansa will become the Lady of Harrenhal because bats are the sigil of Sansa's grandma from her mother side (House Whent). House Whent ruled Harrenhal a little before Arya got there. Conquered by Tywin Lannister.

It's one of the most ridiculous theories about Sansa I've read, but it has a following here. Then again, Sansa is the most over-hyped character in the series.

[House Hendrix of Rock]

^ you don't know Benjen? [emoji11]

[shadow282]

Even if people do, I still think it's silly. If GRRM starts making random passing remarks that random people make prophetic the series will just seem ridiculous.

[Once]

Even if people do, I still think it's silly. If GRRM starts making random passing remarks that random people make prophetic the series will just seem ridiculous.

He has done them before. Sandor's quote: "Keep your mouth shut and do as I tell you, and maybe we’ll even be in time for your uncle’s bloody wedding."

And then the Red Wedding occurred.

EDIT: Arya is referred as daughter of the North before. By Bran, most likely, she was praying to a weirwood:

You are Arya of Winterfell, daughter of the North. You told me you could be strong. You have the wolf blood in you.

[aryagonnakill#2]

While it is theoretically possible, I can say that about almost anything, a theory has to be more than technically possible for someone to believe in it, it has to make sense. This doesn't, and that's really as far as it can be taken.

[Forelver]

It could just be showing how when something happens with the royals people come up with all kinds of ideas to explain it and everyone is saying something different-GRRM has done this before. Could also be a hint to the readers not to believe everything you hear.

[Sword of the Morgan]

Even if people do, I still think it's silly. If GRRM starts making random passing remarks that random people make prophetic the series will just seem ridiculous.

Agree.

[Miss Carnahan]

Why would they mention Tyrion if they were talking about Arya?

[Ibbison from Ibben]

The OP quote comes from Poliver, who dies shortly thereafter. Prophetic powers are often associated with those near death. We have every reason to take an open-minded approach as to the significance of the quote.

It seems to definitely refer to Sansa, though. Arya is unlikely to ever be in a position to kill a king with magic and leave a dwarf behind to take the rap (to be delivered by Cersei). Arya's evaluation of the story as "stupid" is important - stories she considers to be stupid are often true. (While at the Peach in Stoney Sept, she thought the prostitute's claim to be Robert Baratheon's bastard daughter based on her black hair was stupid; after all, Gendry has black hair, too.)

Sansa has not been associated with magic yet. Ever since Lady's death, however, Sansa has been cut off from the Old Gods. She's been no where near a weirwood heart tree. Now that she has descended from the Eyrie, that should change. House Royce keeps the Old Gods. They should have a proper weirwood heart tree in their godswood.

The bat reference is important, also. GRRM has said that all the Stark kids are potential wargs. Sansa's maternal grandmother was a Whent, whose sigil is ten bats. Sansa started out as a wolf, then played the part of a cold fish (the Tully trout) when married to Tyrion. Poliver's words may be a clue that Sansa will eventually come into her magic by embracing her inner bat. So we may see Sansa starting to act batty in the near future.

[Danelle]

I don't know whether Sansa will end up Lady of Harrenhal but it is a theory that I have heard before.

Nevertheless, that particular quote refers to Sansa:

"The Imp, it's thought. Him and his little wife."

"What wife?"

"I forgot, you've been hiding under a rock. The northern girl. Winterfell's daughter. We heard she killed the king with a spell, and afterward changed into a wolf with big leather wings like a bat, and flew out a tower window. But she left the dwarf behind and Cersei means to have his head."

That's stupid, Arya thought. Sansa only knows songs, not spells, and she'd never marry the Imp.

Polliver simply explains to Sandor what happened in KL after he left.

Neither Sandor nor Arya were aware of the fact that Sansa had married Tyrion.

[shadow282]

He has done them before. Sandor's quote: "Keep your mouth shut and do as I tell you, and maybe we’ll even be in time for your uncle’s bloody wedding."

And then the Red Wedding occurred.

Bloody is just a figure of speech that is used hundreds of times in just a SoS. Yes, in this case it's accurate but I would hardly call it prophetic. At most it's a slight nod to the reader about something happening soon, not a prophetic statement that carries over 3 books. But more likely it's just a phrase GRRM used like he's used hundreds of times before without thinking about it.

[A spoon of knife and fork]

If anyone is the winged wolf, it's bran.

[Lord Lannister]

If anyone is the winged wolf, it's bran.

Sansa is referred to as a bird often enough and now she's Lady of the Eyrie. "As High as Honor." So it's not completely out of context to call Sansa a winged wolf.

[Once]

The OP quote comes from Poliver, who dies shortly thereafter. Prophetic powers are often associated with those near death. We have every reason to take an open-minded approach as to the significance of the quote.

It seems to definitely refer to Sansa, though. Arya is unlikely to ever be in a position to kill a king with magic and leave a dwarf behind to take the rap (to be delivered by Cersei). Arya's evaluation of the story as "stupid" is important - stories she considers to be stupid are often true. (While at the Peach in Stoney Sept, she thought the prostitute's claim to be Robert Baratheon's bastard daughter based on her black hair was stupid; after all, Gendry has black hair, too.)

Sansa has not been associated with magic yet. Ever since Lady's death, however, Sansa has been cut off from the Old Gods. She's been no where near a weirwood heart tree. Now that she has descended from the Eyrie, that should change. House Royce keeps the Old Gods. They should have a proper weirwood heart tree in their godswood.

The bat reference is important, also. GRRM has said that all the Stark kids are potential wargs. Sansa's maternal grandmother was a Whent, whose sigil is ten bats. Sansa started out as a wolf, then played the part of a cold fish (the Tully trout) when married to Tyrion. Poliver's words may be a clue that Sansa will eventually come into her magic by embracing her inner bat. So we may see Sansa starting to act batty in the near future.

It definitely refers to Sansa. It absolutely refers to Sansa. No question on that. I'm arguing it doesn't only refer to her. Minisa Whent was Arya's grandmother too, and she has actually spent time in Harrenhal. She has also direct connections to Harrenhal, while Sansa has indirect connections to it (Littlefinger). So Polliver's words might not be a clue for her.

Sansa is a warg, because GRRM confirmed it, but if she tries to warg birds, like many think since is her motif, she's might lose her mind. Varamyr said birds cause wargs to be disassociated with reality. Like she doesn't have problems with that already. She already wants to escape reality by re-imaging situations in a way it resembles those songs she likes (the UnKiss is a popular example, saying Mycah attacked first in the Trident etc.). Just perfect right? This is something GRRM would do. Let's hope it's not true.

Sansa did not kill the king, everything about that story is false, it's just how the rumor reached the people. In real life this would mean nothing because it's common, but this is not real life, this is literature, words are chosen carefully. This is especially true for Arya's chapters, they are full of hints. For example the chapter she followed that difficult to catch cat? Foreshadowings everywhere.

Who said she will never be in a position to kill a king? She is not in the position to kill a king yet. We don't even know who he king will be. Aegon is very likely to take over King's Landing from Tommen, and we haven't seen the last of Euron. We can talk about the latter one first. Arya has Kraken references in her chapters and they're not positive:

And if it was true, I'd just fly away, fly up past the moon and the shining stars, and see all the things in Old Nan's stories, dragons and sea monsters and the Titan of Braavos, and maybe I wouldn't ever fly back unless I wanted to

A tangle of roots and limbs poked up out of the water as it came, like the reaching arms of a great kraken.

Euron is someone easy to ignore, because the Greyjoy storyline bores the hell out of people, but has anyone thought about his endgame? If he truly has a horn that controls dragons, what do you think he will use it for? Planting trees? Dragons in Westeros were used by Aegon the Conqueror, who became king. Dany intends to use dragons to conquer Westeros, like she did in Essos, where ruled as queen. Euron has also captured four warlocks. He is very careful with his crew, cutting their tongues for them not to speak (guess who else has references of having her tongue cut?). It's implied he ordered a FM to assassinate his brother, who is the commonly ignored king of the War of Five Kings. He is mostly there just for the name. Balon Greyjoy wanted to become King of the Iron Islands. Euron is far more ambitious. What willstop him from becoming King? He is actually in a good position.

Tommen does not really have much to live, I think Aegon will take over him. Aegon and Arya are very similar, if we go by Varys's words. You could read what he said to Kevan with Arya in mind, and it's weird how much Arya fits that description. Well, not weird because this is fiction, it's on purpose. Does that imply the two might meet? Possibly, Arya does have dragon references, but that also hints Dany. Dany and Arya have quite a few parallels too. And really, Arya and Dany will meet, it's as sure as R + L = J. How is beyond the scope of what I'm saying. Guess who else is going to Dany?

There are two possible future kings Arya might kill with spells/potions.

[LordQorgyle]

I have a crackpot theory that Sansa is going/will go nuts and will be Danelle Lothston reborn

[Once]

I have a crackpot theory that Sansa is going/will go nuts and will be Danelle Lothston reborn

Cooking children? Was that true to Mad Danelle? In real life, usually these gruesome stories were lies spread by rival factions. Sansa already has a bad reputation. She is wanted for kingslaying, and her escape is suspicious. She has already started stories. She certainly has people who sympathize with her and know the truth, but the average person prefers interesting lies over boring truths. Will Sansa be able to persuade them otherwise? Does Sansa have people skills outside those fixed rules she was taught? Does Sansa have charisma? Because it would help.

[Once]

Bloody is just a figure of speech that is used hundreds of times in just a SoS. Yes, in this case it's accurate but I would hardly call it prophetic. At most it's a slight nod to the reader about something happening soon, not a prophetic statement that carries over 3 books. But more likely it's just a phrase GRRM used like he's used hundreds of times before without thinking about it.

Just like King of Mummers >

[shadow282]

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