OmnomnomPomelo Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Which characters can you imagine in a trial by seven? Who would fight for Cersei? Coz I guess on the Faith's side there would be guys from the Poor Fellows and Warrior's Sons. For Cersei I vote for the Kingsguards in King's Landing:-Robert Strong-Meryn Trant (but he's "ill")-Boros Blount Then plus 4 at least. Maybe a Lannister, for example Devan goes to KL for Cersei's cause and fight? And on the Faith's side there are Lancel, Theodan the True, and what if the gravedigger on Quiet Isle is Sandor Clegane and he will be sent to KL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Well that could prove an interesting situation. Cersei's only allowed to have the Kingsguard fight for her, and all of them aren't there. Loras is "wounded," Jaime is in the Riverlands, Balon Swann's off in Dorne and Osmund Kettleback's imprisoned and in no condition to fight. Wasn't it also implied that if a defender cannot field seven people to defend them, then they're obviously guilty? I could see the High Sparrow pulling that loophole for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmnomnomPomelo Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 Well that could prove an interesting situation. Cersei's only allowed to have the Kingsguard fight for her, and all of them aren't there. Loras is "wounded," Jaime is in the Riverlands, Balon Swann's off in Dorne and Osmund Kettleback's imprisoned and in no condition to fight. Wasn't it also implied that if a defender cannot field seven people to defend them, then they're obviously guilty? I could see the High Sparrow pulling that loophole for some reason. Yes, like it happened with Dunk when there wasn't enough man to fight for him in Ashford. I don't think that only the Kingsguards are allowed to fight, because in the Dunk situation before not only Kingsguards fought on Aerion Targaryen's side. And also when Joff was killed, Cersei could name Gregor as his champion and that time it was against someone who murdered the king, and now Cersei is accused with lesser things than kingslaying, also Cersei is/was "only" the regent. Also as said in TWoIaF the Kingsguards' duty was originally to protect the king himself, and the king could order them (if he wanted) to protect his family members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I do remember reading in Dance that if Margaery or Cersei opted for Trial by combat, which Cersei did, they could only be defended by members of the Kingsguard. Which is precisely why Robert Strong was named to the Kingsguard so he could defend Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmnomnomPomelo Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 I do remember reading in Dance that if Margaery or Cersei opted for Trial by combat, which Cersei did, they could only be defended by members of the Kingsguard. Which is precisely why Robert Strong was named to the Kingsguard so he could defend Cersei. Yes, but then I just don't understand why could Cersei name Gregor to fight against a possible kingslayer's champion. Why didn't she have to pick a Kingsguard? Yes I know that Tyrion was the one who asked for trial by combat, but still it was a freakin kingslaying case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Yes, but then I just don't understand why could Cersei name Gregor to fight against a possible kingslayer's champion. Why didn't she have to pick a Kingsguard? Yes I know that Tyrion was the one who asked for trial by combat, but still it was a freakin kingslaying case... I would imagine the difference lies in the fact Cersei was the accuser and not the defender therefore her life wasn't on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Tyrion is not entitled to a Kingsguard defense, Cersei is/was the Queen Regent and the Kings mother so she is required to have the kings guard defend her. However I don't think you can just condemn the queen by saying you need 7 men to defend you and they need to be a specific 7 men and we know at least 2 are out of your reach. As attractive as the idea of a trial by 7 is, it just doesn't seem practical, because Cersei has to win. Don't forget, its not just the Lannisters that need Cersei to win, its not just the Tyrells that need her to win, if Cersei looses, Tommen is not and never was king, and his order rearming the faith is null and void. If the High Septon wanted to bring Cersei down a notch he succeeded, if he wanted to make the power of the faith clear so that they were taken more seriously he succeeded, but there is no way Mace and Randyl allow Cersei to just be condemned due to her needing all 7 kings guard when that's not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Yes, but then I just don't understand why could Cersei name Gregor to fight against a possible kingslayer's champion. Why didn't she have to pick a Kingsguard? Yes I know that Tyrion was the one who asked for trial by combat, but still it was a freakin kingslaying case... Because a Kinsguard member must fight only when the Queen's honor is questioned. That's the custom. Obviously this wasn't the case when Tyrion was accused so she could choose whoever she wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Tyrion is not entitled to a Kingsguard defense, Cersei is/was the Queen Regent and the Kings mother so she is required to have the kings guard defend her. However I don't think you can just condemn the queen by saying you need 7 men to defend you and they need to be a specific 7 men and we know at least 2 are out of your reach. As attractive as the idea of a trial by 7 is, it just doesn't seem practical, because Cersei has to win. Don't forget, its not just the Lannisters that need Cersei to win, its not just the Tyrells that need her to win, if Cersei looses, Tommen is not and never was king, and his order rearming the faith is null and void. If the High Septon wanted to bring Cersei down a notch he succeeded, if he wanted to make the power of the faith clear so that they were taken more seriously he succeeded, but there is no way Mace and Randyl allow Cersei to just be condemned due to her needing all 7 kings guard when that's not possible. Yep, and Jaime fighting is out of the question for numerous reasons, the 2 most obvious being he's one-handed and he gets condemned with her if he loses. That he more or less doesn't give a shit what happens to her is just piling on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drowned Prophet Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Can't we count Ser Robert Strong as 4 men and be done with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 It won't happen. The HS will want Cersei to win her trial as easy as he can provide, which means no trial by seven and no formidable opponent against Cersei's champion. If you wonder why the HS cannot suffer Cersei losing her trial, then reread ADwD and especially AFfC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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