H.P. Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Okay, so it's kind of obvious that Tywin uses every opportunity he can to end the life of his youngest son, and when unable to do so, does all in his power to make said son's life miserable. Why didn't he just kill him as a baby and was done with it? He could easily have gotten away with that. People expected Tyrion to die shortly after birth anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmnomnomPomelo Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Coz Tywin wasn't/didn't want to be a kinslayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Okay, so it's kind of obvious that Tywin uses every opportunity he can to end the life of his youngest son. The only situation where this is remotely true would be his fight at the green fork, and the tribes wouldn't accept another commander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raksha 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Because Tyrion was a Lannister - even if Aerys sired him (which I doubt, but perhaps Tywin wondered), Tyrion was Tywin's legal son; and Tywin could not, for the sake of his family name, murder him. Also, Tyrion was Joanna's child; and Tywin loved Joanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Habell Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Simply put, 'cause he's a Lannister. Say what you want about Lord Tywin, but he loves Lannisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P. Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Coz Tywin wasn't/didn't want to be a kinslayer. Kind of what I suspected. "Nobody is as accursed as the kinslayer" seems to be a very strong belief in Westeros. A belief which doesn't seem to apply to indirect kinslaying, though. The only situation where this is remotely true would be his fight at the green fork, and the tribes wouldn't accept another commander. What about Tyrion's mock trial after Joffrey's death? Simply put, 'cause he's a Lannister. Say what you want about Lord Tywin, but he loves Lannisters. Then why did he treat Tyrion badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 What about Tyrion's mock trial after Joffrey's death? Isn't it pretty much confirmed that he planned to send Tyrion to the Wall instead of killing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P. Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Isn't it pretty much confirmed that he planned to send Tyrion to the Wall instead of killing him? I can't tell, I've barely read any theories about this series. I've only read the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Isn't it pretty much confirmed that he planned to send Tyrion to the Wall instead of killing him? Tywin mentioned that to Tyrion, though I tend to take anything said on the privy with a crossbow aimed at you with a rather large grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 True, but he didn't seem to be frightened, or else he wouldn't have still called Tysha a whore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 True, but he didn't seem to be frightened, or else he wouldn't have still called Tysha a whore. Tywin, for all his knowledge and cunning, was pretty much blind to his children as actual people. He never actually knew what made them tick beyond using them as tools to further the House's legacy. Tywin was oblivious to the fact that badmouthing Tysha in front of Tyrion was a bad idea. Being dismissive of her was just par for the course for him, I don't think it would even occur to him not to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the one eared cat Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Doesn't want to be a kinslayerTyrion is still a Lannister despite everything Still a potential male heir should anything happen to Jaime (children die/become sick all the time in Westeros)Maybe (unlikely...) he was holding onto a vestige of hope that Tyrion wouldn't grow up as the monster he sees him as; he was still Joanna's son, and he loved Joanna, so perhaps a little bit of her would live on in Tyrion. Maybe it was out of love for Joanna, that he didn't want to kill her son, or perhaps he wanted her death to count for something rather than be for nothing. Though this is Tywin Lannister, who isn't big on sentimentality. Still, a possibility... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Mauldania Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Lannister pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Okay, so it's kind of obvious that Tywin uses every opportunity he can to end the life of his youngest son, and when unable to do so, does all in his power to make said son's life miserable. Why didn't he just kill him as a baby and was done with it? He could easily have gotten away with that. People expected Tyrion to die shortly after birth anyway.In Tyrion II, Storm, Tywin shit on Tyrion's demand of Casterly Rock. But in Tyrion III, Storm, Kevan praised him and Tywin made him Master of Coin and arranged a marriage to Sansa Stark, which would give his heirs a strong claim to Winterfell. Tyrion probably deserved to be knighted and he deserved Casterly Rock. But in his world he wasn't going to get that. Still, he was offered some very, very rich desserts. If not for Joffrey's and Cersei's unbearable scorn, Petyr's scheming, and his own sarcastic wit, Tyrion had a chance for honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tyrion I Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Because Tyrion was a Lannister - even if Aerys sired him (which I doubt, but perhaps Tywin wondered), Tyrion was Tywin's legal son; and Tywin could not, for the sake of his family name, murder him. Also, Tyrion was Joanna's child; and Tywin loved Joanna.:agree:People may just have begun talking after Tyrion's birth and its circumstances. And the fact that he's a dwarf. Tywin's obsessed with his legacy. Although he wants to keep him from inheriting CR, he knows that he won't be refuse him for long. Tyrion's a Lannister after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 "Promise me, Tywin"Or maybe Aerys said, "You can raise my bastard as your own, whatevs, but don't you dare kill him!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sapna Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I know Tyrion and Tywin didn't have the best relationship obviously. I know that Tywin of course hoped Jaime would still one day give up the kingsguard and return to CR but maybe there was a bit of worry with Tywin about the incest of Jaime and Cersei. In the show Tywin seems to be pretending not to see it, but he would certainly know about it, Keven sure realises it. Anyway if it was proved at a trial that Cersei's kids were Jaimes (While Tywin was alive.) Then yes Tyrion may be a drunk whoring dwarf but he would be all Tywin had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 People woulda talked. Tywin hated that. Few cared about reputation as much as old Tywin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 The only situation where this is remotely true would be his fight at the green fork, and the tribes wouldn't accept another commander. I'm sure they would have, in fact. That situation, though, offered Tywin one of the very rare opportunities to be rid of Tyrion in a way that wouldn't lead to accusations of kinslaying. If Tyrion happens to die legitimately in battle, no stigma will attach to the Lannister name. If baby Tyrion had met with an accident, on the other hand... well, there would always have been whispers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimim Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Tywin is reluctant to kill Tyrion even at his trial for Joffrey's murder. Had Tyrion confessed, Tywin would have sent him to the Wall (imo). Tyrion is a Lannister. Tywin hates his son for "killing" Joanna, for being a dwarf, for becoming his heir when Jaime joins the KG, but he also realizes Tyrion is not an idiot, still accepts him as kin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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