thespider4a Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I've been rereading the game of thrones books and when I was reading the third book I realised that Walter Frey wanted jeyne at the wedding. If the Freys, jeyne's mother and the lannisters were plotting together surely jeyne not being harmed would be part of the deal. Jeyne herself rode out to chase after robb so she could come to the wedding but surely her own mother who was betraying the Starks wouldn't have willingly sent her own daughter to the red wedding?In the book Walter asks were jeyne is so is he just putting on her front or did he want her dead with robb, the Starks and other noble Northern lords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Huh, good catch. I guess maybe Walder wanted to earn even more points with Tywin by delivering Jeyne to him. Even if part of the deal with the Spicers was not to hurt Jeyne, the Lannisters still needed to monitor her to avoid any surprise baby, and it really was hard for Jaime to get her because of the Blackfish's siege. So Jeyne being at the Twins would've made things easier for everyone, I think Also, welcome to the forum :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofless Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I don't think Tywin would tell Roose and Walder about the Westerlings being in his pocket.Or vice versa, tell the Westerlings about the upcoming wedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenedstark Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I'm not sure if the Westerlings were/are truly joined the Lannister side. Jeyne's mother, Sybill Spicer, could be playing a double game by simultaneously joining the Lannisters to keep her daughter safe, while secretly letting Jeyne give birth and helping to continue the Stark line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mychel_Redfort Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 In Feast 44, Sybelle tells Jaime she didn't know the Red Wedding was happening, else she wouldn't have allowed her son Raynald to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Because Tywin needed prisoners. They originally thought of sparing Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespider4a Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Thank you:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Santa of House Claus Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I don't think Tywin would tell Roose and Walder about the Westerlings being in his pocket. Or vice versa, tell the Westerlings about the upcoming wedding. I agree with you, but I would not say the Westerlings were in Tywin's pocket, just the bitch mother. Tywin would want to keep things compartmentalized to prevent leaks or potential double dealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmaester Drew Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I'm not sure if the Westerlings were/are truly joined the Lannister side. Jeyne's mother, Sybill Spicer, could be playing a double game by simultaneously joining the Lannisters to keep her daughter safe, while secretly letting Jeyne give birth and helping to continue the Stark line. Sybill Spicer gave Jeyne moon tea to abort the baby -- or so she told the Lannisters. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenedstark Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Sybill Spicer gave Jeyne moon tea to abort the baby -- or so she told the Lannisters. :) yes. I'm not sure if Sybill is the kind of person to bend her knee to anyone. Her testimony could very well be a rouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Charles of Rosehaven Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Walder Frey only knew what was necessary. I guess he may have also killed her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baelor Blacktyde Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I see two possibilities: Walder Frey didn't know that Jeyne Stark née Westerling was an (unwitting) tool of the Lannisters, orwhat seems more likely, Tywin Lannister wanted to make sure that Jeyne was kept far away from Stark loyalists. What if she ended up pregnant despite the potions her mother was giving her? What if, after the wedding, the remaining Stark loyalists moved her somewhere else, away from her mother and she ended up getting pregnant by someone else? Then people could say that her child was the heir to Robb Stark and a pretender to Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Firstly, the Red Wedding wasn't Tywin's idea. All he wanted was Robb dead, not the general slaughter that the Freys and Boltons cooked up. At least that's what he said, and he probably wasn't lying. It's pretty certain that since Jeyne was the at the core of Lord Walder's butthurt he would have had her killed along with Robb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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