Bran's Tourney Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 If Ashara Dayne still lives, as many suggest, then would Barristan abandon Dany?In his last chapter in ADwD he is pretty explicit about how that was his one big regret in life... Not going after her. I don't think Dany's "betrayal of love" necessarily means being betrayed by someone who loves her... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamoDega Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 He regret the missed chance of a different past As now his place is there, probably dying in the upcoming battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard of Walton Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Personally I believe Ashara is dead & that Barristan will likely die a heroic death defending Meereen for Daenerys.I like the idea of the betrayal for love being about love that doesn't involve loving Dany. Tyrion could be a good candidate for it. But until it's on paper, Barristan could as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon The Black Dragon Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I think Barristan will stay loyal to Dany till whenever he dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Cat 75 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I love the idea that the love betrayer wasn't out of love for her that being said I believe this may come down to three key things. 1) If Lemore is actually Ashara Dayne which I am not totally sure of but I would put it at almost 50/50 chance. Having it be Ashara would be good for Varys to legitimatize Aegon, if the daughter of a famously noble house said this is Aegon it may help. However I can't really think of a reason why Ashara would do it, aside maybe it was part of a deal to legitimatize Jon as a Targaryen if she knows R+L=J is true. 2) If Barristan doesn't believe that (fake) Aegon isn't a Blackfyre, he is taking the Seven Kingdoms with the Golden Company and in an early reading of a chapter in Dance of Dragons it was hinted that Aegon would get the sword Blackfyre, but that was edited out. It would scream Blackfyre to someone like Barristan who fought the Golden Company in the Step stones. 3) Lastly and most importantly if Dany believes Aegon is the real fake dragon and not say Jon if he claims to be a Targaryen. If Dany believes Aegon is a Targaryen there is no reason for him to betray her. If she decides Aegon is the fake over someone like Jon then it may lead to the betrayal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Wouldn't the next treason be for blood?Love: JorahGold: Brown Ben PlummBlood: ??? (Whoever is the Harpy, maybe?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One And Only Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 He will end up killing somebody he has sworn to protect. It has been foreshadowed since GoT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocktree Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 He will end up killing somebody he has sworn to protect. It has been foreshadowed since GoT Barristan considered Jaime to have failed in his vows to some degree, when he killed the Mad King, but Barristan has come pretty close to doing the same. I feel like it's bound to happen, but Dany is still young. I can't imagine him killing her. "Prince Rhaegar had two children,” Ser Barristan told him. “Rhaenys was a little girl, Aegon a babe in arms. When Tywin Lannister took King’s Landing, his men killed both of them. He served the bloody bodies up in crimson cloaks, a gift for the new king.” And what did Robert say when he saw them? Did he smile? Barristan Selmy had been badly wounded on the Trident, so he had been spared the sight of Lord Tywin’s gift, but oft he wondered. If I had seen him smile over the red ruins of Rhaegar’s children, no army on this earth could have stopped me from killing him. “I will not suffer the murder of children. Accept that, or I’ll have no part of this.”" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublestar Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 As now his place is there, probably dying in the upcoming battle. Not in this one (Meereen), imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublestar Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Wouldn't the next treason be for blood?Love: JorahGold: Brown Ben PlummBlood: ??? (Whoever is the Harpy, maybe?)It is impossible to betray the one you never swore any allegiance to. But... if the Harpy is Hizdahr... why not? Except that I personally would expect something less trivial. The last betrayal, whatever is it, probably kills her or contributes to her undoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublestar Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I think Barristan will stay loyal to Dany till whenever he dies. Or, maybe, till SHE dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Or, maybe, till SHE dies. Or is assumed dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublestar Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Or is assumed dead? Don't think so. In fact, she IS assumed dead right now. Does not seem to change his loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Don't think so. In fact, she IS assumed dead right now. Does not seem to change his loyalty. Time could change that, especially once he hears about Aegon. He's been rather busy lately to think on things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublestar Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Time could change that, especially once he hears about Aegon. He's been rather busy lately to think on things like that. Unlike Aegon's, Dany's identity cannot be disputed. So... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Unlike Aegon's, Dany's identity cannot be disputed. So... Disputed identities didn't stop Barristan from following Joffrey as long as he was able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocktree Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Don't think so. In fact, she IS assumed dead right now. Does not seem to change his loyalty. Why would she be assumed dead? She rode off on Drogon, and there wasn't any indication of her being injured. She'd raised Drogon, and is called "Mother of Dragons". I would think that Barristan believes there's a good chance she's still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Barristan will be slain by Victarion in a duel not long after the Battle of Meereen is won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hos the Hostage Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Wouldn't the next treason be for blood?Love: JorahGold: Brown Ben PlummBlood: ??? (Whoever is the Harpy, maybe?)I tend to believe the treason for blood is Varys and Illyrio's. 'Some contracts are writ in blood'. Because Aegon is Blackfyre and a close blood relation of Varys and/or Illyrio.I agree with OP that Barristan may be the treason for love, because it will be really shocking, coming from a man of reputation as Barristan. But I don't think Lemore is Ashara. Treason for gold: probably Tyrion, to save Casterly Rock. BBP claims that he is now on Dany's side, so his treason now becomes not a real treason. He did betray her, but I feel like the three treasons will be big, like MMD's so that it really affects Dany badly. Brown Ben deserting wasn't that shattering a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormborn36 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I don't think Barristan would betray anyone. The dude is quite possibly the most all around respectable guy in the entire series next to Davos. Do I have other characters that I favor over these 2? Oh of course. Numerous. However, I've thought about it before, and I think that out of all of the POV characters, the two that are the most downright "good at heart" and respectable people are Davos and Barristan the bold. Not a chance in hell he betrays Dany, if you ask me. Unfortunately, I can see him dying for Dany in this whole chaotic mess that's been created. Reading that will hurt. Here's to at least hoping the man goes out in epic battle fashion IF he isn't going to make it to the end. I do, however, agree that her "betrayal for love" may not mean someone who is in love with her, but who betrays her for a form of love in general. This opens multiple options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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