Witch Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Or he knows it's something Tyrion said out of rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I think he does believe it, more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witch Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 But why would Jaime think that. Tyrion had no real motive and he's clever enough to not get caugh. Jaime should know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueylouis Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 He helped tyrion escape after, so I don't think he believes tyrion did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 At first, he didn't believe it, that's why he helped him. Until Tyrion simply told him to his face he did. By the time Jaime realised Cersei had been indeed fucking Lancel, Osmund and Moonboy for all he knew, he also believed what Tyrion apparently also did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I don't think he believed it until Tyrion admitted it. But I think he's willing to believe anything of Tyrion now - their relationship has completely broken down. After all, Tyrion killed Tywin, why wouldn't he kill Joffrey? He had plenty of motive to kill Joff but there's probably still a lingering doubt in Jaime's mind because he knows Tyrion is too smart to have gotten caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksnider05 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 He helped tyrion escape after, so I don't think he believes tyrion did it. You believe his innocence or guilt has some bearing on Jaimes choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 At first, he didn't believe it, that's why he helped him. Until Tyrion simply told him to his face he did. By the time Jaime realised Cersei had been indeed fucking Lancel, Osmund and Moonboy for all he knew, he also believed what Tyrion apparently also did. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 But why would Jaime think that. Tyrion had no real motive and he's clever enough to not get caugh. Prisons are full of smart people who've committed dumb crimes. No motive? Tyrion had a great motive - Tyrion loathed Joffrey and vice versa. Certainly he had way more of a motive than LF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueylouis Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 You believe his innocence or guilt has some bearing on Jaimes choice.It seems like jaime killed aerys based on the fact that the Starks that aerys was roasting didn't do anything bad, so I'd say it's possible that his emotions played a part in his choice to help tyrion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 He thinks that Sansa killed Joffrey and Tyrion is protecting her as a gallant act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimJames Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Well, it would be hard for Jamie not to believe it when Tywin was found dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 I say it's mostly in favour of "did not", but with some doubts. Jaime has good reasons to suspect Tyrion did not / would not kill Joffrey. Protecting Sansa is one. Joffrey having acted like a monster and having made many enemies besides Tyrion is another. Tyrion not knowing the truth about Tysha at the time is another. Lastly, Tyrion said he did so, but after finding out about Tysha so that may have been to hurt him. The reasons why he would have doubts, and think Tyrion might have done it are:If Cersei has been lying to Jaime all these years, then why not Tyrion also?If Tyrion thought his life was actually in danger (or Sansa's), he might have done it in self-defense thinking he has no choice. Tyrion did kill Tywin after all, and he was kin too.Lannisters seem to be very good at hurting each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not in the face Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Well Jaime did spill the beans about Tysha so Tyrion was emotionally compromised at the time. Tyrion just wanted to hurt Jaime as bad as Jaime had hurt him with that lie. That is just rage talking. Still they are great brothers and know each other well. I do not think he believes it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joffrey fan Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Even if he believes it, he is not pissed about it. Jaime doesn't care about his children, except maybe Tommen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witch Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 Even if he believes it, he is not pissed about it. Jaime doesn't care about his children, except maybe Tommen. I think he cares about Myrcella too, he was going to tell her he was her father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eiko Dragonhorn Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Jaime regularly speculates back and forth in his own mind about this in AFFC/ADWD... So... maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRON BANK Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 yes Jaime believes and their will be a battle between the two for casterly rock. They will embrace each other one last time with the kiss of steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 I'm afraid that Jaime had good skills but not much of a brain. Yes he believes he did it, because he said it to him face to face, while he was telling (other) true facts. If you think for 2 seconds about Tyrion attempting to kill Joffrey, knowing Tyrion, you should figure out he wouldn't try to do it with such a big crowd. But I guess Jaime can't see that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witch Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 If you think for 2 seconds about Tyrion attempting to kill Joffrey, knowing Tyrion, you should figure out he wouldn't try to do it with such a big crowd. But I guess Jaime can't see that . I know! I consider Jaime smart, so it troubles me the author would write it this way. Jaime is the person who knows Tyrion the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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