Led Habell Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 I don't remember if it's the same in the books as in the show, but it appears as if Lady Margory was helping Joffrey become a better person. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Margaery could never "change" Joffrey on any level. Joffrey was insane. More likely than not he would have ended up having her killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Goat Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 I don't remember if it's the same in the books as in the show, but it appears as if Lady Margory was helping Joffrey become a better person. What do you think? I find that unlikely. The likes of Joffrey, Ramsay or Rorge are likely incapable of changing from the vile beings they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Habell Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 When the people greeted him and lady Margaery outside the sept though, you could almost see him change. Like, if Robert cared more, maybe something different could've been created Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The North Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 I guess you're describing their relationship on the show, because we're shown very little to nothing of their relationship in the books. On the show, she basically plays on his manias to win him over, and afterwards using her influence to show him how to win over the "smallfolk". And being loved means nothing to him other than increasing his sense of pride & power. I can see where you'd think he became a changed person, I just don't see it. His behavior at the wedding, I believe, proved as much.In the book her marriage to Tommen is where we start to see Margery's cunning, as she wins him towards herself and away from Cersei's clutches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Habell Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 I guess you're describing their relationship on the show, because we're shown very little to nothing of their relationship in the books. On the show, she basically plays on his manias to win him over, and afterwards using her influence to show him how to win over the "smallfolk". And being loved means nothing to him other than increasing his sense of pride & power. I can see where you'd think he became a changed person, I just don't see it. His behavior at the wedding, I believe, proved as much.In the book her marriage to Tommen is where we start to see Margery's cunning, as she wins him towards herself and away from Cersei's clutches.*tips hat* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Joffrey is an excellent author, as Sansa eventually found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Joffery was a sociopath, nothing is going to improve his character. He may have been able to put on a nice face for public appearances but that wouldn't have lasted. Their relationship would have been a nightmare for Margery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Lady Olenna didn't think that Joff was good marriage material for the granddaughter that she loved, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaguya Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Jack Gleeson seemed to think Joffrey genuinely liked Maergary. He seemed to believe something could have happened. This is purely show based though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Well, yes, in the end the marriage to Margaery did help Joffrey get better, because dead Joff > alive Joff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Yes, Joffrey was best as a dead husband. He was a sociopath and there is no fixing that. On the show, Joff does seem to like Natalie Dormers sexy and aware character, and she is much better at playing to the small folk. He could have been influenced, but he would always have been a sadistic scary creep. The kind that kills animals, has Sansa beaten, humiliates Tyrion and has Ned executed when even Cersei doesn't want to. Tywin doesn't seem impressed either. The Hound leaves him. Run Marg run! Wait, Lady O to the rescue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Well, yes, in the end the marriage to Margaery did help Joffrey get better, because dead Joff > alive JoffYou win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworth'sShipmate Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Well in the show he seemed quite taken with her. Its not hard to see why. That Natalie Dormer... awoooooooOOOH! :cool4: I think he may not have been as cruel to her as he was to Sansa. Remember he associated Sansa with her "traitor father" who tried to have him overthrown. So who knows? Tywin is sort of a cruel sociopath and seemed to like Lady Joanna well enough. Same is probably true of Roose and his wives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaguya Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Well in the show he seemed quite taken with her. Its not hard to see why. That Natalie Dormer... awoooooooOOOH! :cool4: I think he may not have been as cruel to her as he was to Sansa. Remember he associated Sansa with her "traitor father" who tried to have him overthrown. So who knows? Tywin is sort of a cruel sociopath and seemed to like Lady Joanna well enough. Same is probably true of Roose and his wives. Tywin isn't a sociopath. Sociopaths can't love. He clearly loved her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Yes, Joffrey was best as a dead husband. He was a sociopath and there is no fixing that. On the show, Joff does seem to like Natalie Dormers sexy and aware character, and she is much better at playing to the small folk. He could have been influenced, but he would always have been a sadistic scary creep. The kind that kills animals, has Sansa beaten, humiliates Tyrion and has Ned executed when even Cersei doesn't want to. Tywin doesn't seem impressed either. The Hound leaves him. Run Marg run! Wait, Lady O to the rescue. While executing Ned was tactically stupid, it's in not nearly as morally questionable as the things you compare it to. From his point of view, Eddard pretended to be his dear father's friend until his death, after which he tried to usurp the throne out of the hands of his heir, an offence punishable by death, and often much, much more. When he said to Sansa that he was merciful towards Ned, he was right, for his supposed crimes, Ned could have had way worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 In the show, Anne Boelyn wasn't trying to get Joffrey to be a better person. She was just trying to make him like her so she could avoid Sansa's fate before marriage. In the books, Margaery barely talks to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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