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Sophie Turner at the BIFA 2014:

"There’s this one scene I had to do that was super traumatic and it was really horrible for everyone to be on set and watch."

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4vU7EHqYqQ

I'm now praying to the old Gods, the Seven, the Drowned God and R'hllor that it won't be a rape scene

It might be a rape/uncomfortable sex scene.. because I don't think Sophie would mind a scene where she kills someone.. If she is raped then I will be absolutely furious

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Why would you assume that it's a rape scene? It doesn't make sense....who would rape her?

That certainly would be traumatic and something that D&D could do. Hmm perhaps Littlefinger? Sansa might also seduce LF to get more control.

But there's already a thread, where Sansa's controversial future is being discussed.

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Why would you assume that it's a rape scene? It doesn't make sense....who would rape her?

Simply because of the way she spoke of the scene being traumatic and being horrible to watch. Though it might be just a cruel killing scene, which I would definitely prefer. It's true that it wouldn't really make sense, seeing as where they're going with her story arc.

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There is something that fits the bill, but I don't think it would work the way the narrative seems to be going and it maybe a little too much. It's also very ugly:



LF recognizes Sansa as a threat. Show!Sansa takes Jeyne Poole's role.(*)



This scenario definitely fits the kind of scene Sophie is describing, but it has a huge set of problems on its own. First, if it goes by the books, it would require Sansa to rely on someone (Theon) rescuing her, which seems to be against Sansa's arc in both book and show. But this would be coming from the guys who wrote atheist Stannis burning infidels, so I wouldn't put it past them. Second, it breaks any tie between Sansa, Littlefinger, Robin and the Vale (maybe LF helps organize the rescue, again? Too repetitive). Third, I think Sansa would have a backup plan at this point, unless she's kidnapped (by Brienne, who unwittingly gives her to the Boltons?) and that kind of takes us back to the first point regarding Sansa and kidnapping/rescues. Fourth, if it goes by the books, it puts her in contact with Stannis. Fifth, all the shit Jeyne goes through is hard enough for it to happen to a minor character people aren't invested in. Those things happening to a main character might be way too much.



In any case, Jon and Cersei are having serious setbacks in their arcs, while Arya's blindness (if it happens) can be seen as one as well. It may very well be that D&D are planning on making Sansa have a setback and this scene is about traumatizing things happening to Sansa instead of things done by Sansa.



(*) Disclaimer: I do not condone, in any way, kidnapping, beating, lashing, raping, humiliating girls, be them young or not, and neither whatever happened with the dogs. And I certainly wouldn't want it to happen to anybody. If someone has a complaint about Book!Jeyne's misfortunes, they can try to file that complaint with GRRM, who's the man who actually wrote it.


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There are already two threads discussing this. The one specifically about that interview, and the news one in the Casting session.



I find it really annoying that whenever something traumatic or controversial is mentioned in relation to Sansa, everyone always starts talking about rape. Or, at best, Sansa prostituting herself to a guy who's practically kidnapped her. If you heard something about a traumatic or controversial scene involving Jon or Tyrion or Jaime, I'm sure that people's first thought wouldn't be: "oh, he's going to get raped! Or maybe he'll blow someone to get out of a bad situation!" :rolleyes:






That certainly would be traumatic and something that D&D could do. Hmm perhaps Littlefinger? Sansa might also seduce LF to get more control.






Why would she sleep with him "to gain more control" and how would she do that? With her Pod-like virginal sexual skills that would make his brain melt? What control would she gain by sleeping with him that she doesn't have already? That's a spectacularly absurd idea.



And why would Littlefinger suddenly rape her? That's not in his MO, he's not an idiot to ruin everything he has been working for. He doesn't want to turn her against him, he wants to groom her and make her into his willing partner, and she's a crucial element in his schemes - and her virginity is crucial for annulling her marriage, and for her future marriage prospects, which his schemes rest on.


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There is something that fits the bill, but I don't think it would work the way the narrative seems to be going and it maybe a little too much. It's also very ugly:

LF recognizes Sansa as a threat. Show!Sansa takes Jeyne Poole's role.(*)

This scenario definitely fits the kind of scene Sophie is describing, but it has a huge set of problems on its own. First, if it goes by the books, it would require Sansa to rely on someone (Theon) rescuing her, which seems to be against Sansa's arc in both book and show. But this would be coming from the guys who wrote atheist Stannis burning infidels, so I wouldn't put it past them. Second, it breaks any tie between Sansa, Littlefinger, Robin and the Vale (maybe LF helps organize the rescue, again? Too repetitive). Third, I think Sansa would have a backup plan at this point, unless she's kidnapped (by Brienne, who unwittingly gives her to the Boltons?) and that kind of takes us back to the first point regarding Sansa and kidnapping/rescues. Fourth, if it goes by the books, it puts her in contact with Stannis. Fifth, all the shit Jeyne goes through is hard enough for it to happen to a minor character people aren't invested in. Those things happening to a main character might be way too much.

In any case, Jon and Cersei are having serious setbacks in their arcs, while Arya's blindness (if it happens) can be seen as one as well. It may very well be that D&D are planning on making Sansa have a setback and this scene is about traumatizing things happening to Sansa instead of things done by Sansa.

(*) Disclaimer: I do not condone, in any way, kidnapping, beating, lashing, raping, humiliating girls, be them young or not, and neither whatever happened with the dogs. And I certainly wouldn't want it to happen to anybody. If someone has a complaint about Book!Jeyne's misfortunes, they can try to file that complaint with GRRM, who's the man who actually wrote it.

First of all, sorry for the late reply, I was in class all day and I didn't get the chance to reply sooner.

While it would definitely be considered traumatic, I don't think it's very realistic for Sansa to take Jeyne's role (even for D&D), because of the reasons you have already given and others. Surely, Bolton wouldn't agree to hiding away Sansa from one of his allies (the Lannisters aka Cersei), unless he wouldn't recognize Sansa, but that seems even less realistic. (Then again Roose's only true ally seems to be himself ;p). Uhm, I think season 5 will be more about Sansa becoming more of a player, while taking Jeyne's part would mark her as a pawn.

+ I do think that Sansa has had enough setbacks to last a lifetime by now (though so have Arya, Jon, Dany etc.)

Oh, and wasn't that Miranda girl they created rumored to take Jeyne's place as (f)Arya?

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I find it really annoying that whenever something traumatic or controversial is mentioned in relation to Sansa, everyone always starts talking about rape. Or, at best, Sansa prostituting herself to a guy who's practically kidnapped her. If you heard something about a traumatic or controversial scene involving Jon or Tyrion or Jaime, I'm sure that people's first thought wouldn't be: "oh, he's going to get raped!

I think it's an objective fact that Sansa is in a situation where rape is a tangible risk to her. At least much more than "jon or Tyrion or Jaime". She's at the mercy of someone who is infatuated with her and has already uninvitedly kissed her. She has also suffered a rape atempt before.

It's always uncomfortable discussing about rape, even if it involves fictional characters, but i think in this case it's merited.

And why would Littlefinger suddenly rape her? That's not in his MO, he's not an idiot to ruin everything he has been working for. He doesn't want to turn her against him, he wants to groom her and make her into his willing partner, and she's a crucial element in his schemes - and her virginity is crucial for annulling her marriage, and for her future marriage prospects, which his schemes rest on.

I would agree with you here, if not for the precedent of Littlefinger's forced kiss. It wasn't his MO too, but he did it. It was a huge risk, and depending on Lysa's reaction it could have ended badly (it nearly did). So Littlefinger is not immune to the attraction and sometimes he can't restrain himself. Going as far as rape? Not in normal circumstances, and not premeditatedly, but I wouldn't rule it out.

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There are already two threads discussing this. The one specifically about that interview, and the news one in the Casting session.

The other thread is about an other interview with Sophie and not the one where she mentions a traumatic scene. I created this thread the 8th of December, before it had been mentioned in any other thread, but it took 2 days to be confirmed by mod and by then, it had already been discussed in other threads :dunno: Looking back on it, I probably should just have mentioned the interview in the other thread.

I find it really annoying that whenever something traumatic or controversial is mentioned in relation to Sansa, everyone always starts talking about rape. Or, at best, Sansa prostituting herself to a guy who's practically kidnapped her. If you heard something about a traumatic or controversial scene involving Jon or Tyrion or Jaime, I'm sure that people's first thought wouldn't be: "oh, he's going to get raped! Or maybe he'll blow someone to get out of a bad situation!" :rolleyes:

The idea of the thread wasn't to talk about it (possibly) being a rape scene, but to discuss what might actually happen in this scene (I simply mentioned that I really hope it isn't a rape scene, but that doesn't mean that I naturally assume it is, because as mentioned in another reply, I don't think that it would make any sense seeing as where Sansa story arc is going + it would be extremely cruel and way too controversial to have something like that happen to one of the main characters.)

+ I don't think you can deny that unpleasant sexual experiences are more often a part of the story arc of (and associated with) female characters than the story arc of a male character. Unfortunately, society and fiction still seem to ignore the fact that men can get raped as well (cf. Shia Labeouf).

And why would Littlefinger suddenly rape her? That's not in his MO, he's not an idiot to ruin everything he has been working for. He doesn't want to turn her against him, he wants to groom her and make her into his willing partner, and she's a crucial element in his schemes - and her virginity is crucial for annulling her marriage, and for her future marriage prospects, which his schemes rest on.

I agree, it would definitely be in LF's best interests if Sansa remains a maiden for now.

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Shaking Sweet robin gets murdered by LF and Sansa helps or is in some other way complicit in his death. But personally I think that the story has been hanging the threat of rape over Sansa since the beginning. The hound, Joffrey, the crowd at Myrcella's send off. In the books there is a pretty rapey singer who makes an attempt on the Fingers. This is starting to feel like an inevitability to me and I dread the prospect.


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Oh, I just read somewhere that Sansa might take over LS's role and start hanging Freys, though it seems unlikely because she's supposed to go on a tour in the Vale ...

You mean, you read one more of the crazy and ridiculous speculations by fans in the comments on WoTW and other websites. Let's not spread them around as rumors, please. It's bad enough that that ridiculous website Christian-something ran a silly article where they reported the speculation of a really bad WiC writer that Myranda would take over fArya's role as if it were a fact, and then everyone suddenly started talking about it as if it was substantiated in any way and there was an actual source of that nonsense.

I could start a crazy rumor right now by posting some absurd idea of what Sansa could be doing. Only it's hard to make up something sillier than what has already been suggested. FFS, a couple of people in the comments on WotW are now speculating on Sansa and Robin having sex (?! :ack: ), maybe they wanted to come up with something that would prove that Sansa/LF sex is not the most disgusting idea there is. I guess Sansa has to be not just a speculated child murderer but also a pedo child abuser. :rolleyes: Maybe they could throw in some cannibalism, too. Why not, maybe Sansa starts baking children and eating them after luring them to her gingerbread house. :rolleyes:

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You mean, you read one more of the crazy and ridiculous speculations by fans in the comments on WoTW and other websites. Let's not spread them around as rumors, please. It's bad enough that that ridiculous website Christian-something ran a silly article where they reported the speculation of a really bad WiC writer that Myranda would take over fArya's role as if it were a fact, and then everyone suddenly started talking about it as if it was substantiated in any way and there was an actual source of that nonsense.

I could start a crazy rumor right now by posting some absurd idea of what Sansa could be doing. Only it's hard to make up something sillier than what has already been suggested. FFS, a couple of people in the comments on WotW are now speculating on Sansa and Robin having sex (?! :ack: ), maybe they wanted to come up with something that would prove that Sansa/LF sex is not the most disgusting idea there is. I guess Sansa has to be not just a speculated child murderer but also a pedo child abuser. :rolleyes: Maybe they could throw in some cannibalism, too. Why not, maybe Sansa starts baking children and eating them after luring them to her gingerbread house. :rolleyes:

It was actually from an article on www.hufftingtonpost.com (probably not the most reliable of sources), though it did mention a lot of rubbish (probably because it focused on what people were saying on reddit). There's no harm in mentioning it, I did add that it's very unlikely.

+ The whole Myranda-(f)Arya business I read on this forum, so I can't say where the whole rumor started ... but as long as it's just speculation and not actually people saying that it's a fact, again, I don't see the harm in it.

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While we cannot know what this scene maybe, I am going to add the thoughts that popped into my own demented mind as I listened to the interview, knowing that I had previously read that WOW is going to contain a controversial Sansa chapter. Although I think the TV show version of this event may be substantially different from the controversy in the Book version.



I do not believe LF would be stupid enough to rape Sansa, but with the way her story is developing for the TV show it is a possibility. I believe, however, a more likely but equally disgusting scenario would be for Sansa to engage in consentual sexual activities with LF, (sorta like Rhaenyra and Daemon), or at least lead him on to think that is where their relationship is headed. Once she gets him in a compromising position she brutally murders him and tells the Lords of the Valle, (to whom in the show she has already confided she is Sansa Stark) that LF tried to rape her. That is my guess as to what the traumatic event is and I am sticking to it.


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While we cannot know what this scene maybe, I am going to add the thoughts that popped into my own demented mind as I listened to the interview, knowing that I had previously read that WOW is going to contain a controversial Sansa chapter. Although I think the TV show version of this event may be substantially different from the controversy in the Book version.

I do not believe LF would be stupid enough to rape Sansa, but with the way her story is developing for the TV show it is a possibility. I believe, however, a more likely but equally disgusting scenario would be for Sansa to engage in consentual sexual activities with LF, (sorta like Rhaenyra and Daemon), or at least lead him on to think that is where their relationship is headed. Once she gets him in a compromising position she brutally murders him and tells the Lords of the Valle, (to whom in the show she has already confided she is Sansa Stark) that LF tried to rape her. That is my guess as to what the traumatic event is and I am sticking to it.

Why would she be having sex with him if it's just so she can say that he tried to rape her? In that case, she would be telling them he did rape her. Which is a great idea if she wants to ruin the chances of annulment of her marriage to Tyrion (among other things).

And why would she be doing any of that, when all she had to do if she wanted to get rid of him would be to tell the truth about Lysa's murder in episode 4.8?

It was actually from an article on www.hufftingtonpost.com (probably not the most reliable of sources), though it did mention a lot of rubbish (probably because it focused on what people were saying on reddit). There's no harm in mentioning it, I did add that it's very unlikely.

And that's the problem... "Look, someone is speculating on an online forum. Let's make it into a news article."

I wouldn't be surprised if someone in a few days takes that "Sansa the cannibalistic witch" nonsense I just made up as a joke and writes in an article that "it has been speculated that..."

+ The whole Myranda-(f)Arya business I read on this forum, so I can't say where the whole rumor started ... but as long as it's just speculation and not actually people saying that it's a fact, again, I don't see the harm in it.

Many (naive) people did take it as a substantiated rumor if not fact, just because it was in this silly article that reported it as a fact, without naming a source: http://www.christiantoday.com/article/game.of.thrones.season.5.spoilers.myrand.pretend.arya.stark/42929.htm

And this was their "source":

The author of the article (which is pretty bad in itself, the author mixed up Ramsay's girlfriend and Myranda Royce) was simply speculating.

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BTW, I'm starting to think that the biggest upcoming controversy in TWOW and season 5 will be Sansa not having sex with Littlefinger. This would I'm sure, upset and deeply disappoint many people, since so many seem certain and determined that Sex with Littlefinger (hereinafter: SWLF) is inevitable for Sansa, one way or the other. SWLF has been deemed as necessary for Sansa's development as a character and as a "player". The question is just, what convoluted reason can be found for Sansa to engage in SWLF. :p



If SWLF cannot work out for some reason, the alternative is sex with someone else, but only for manipulation, because that's the only way to imagine Sansa having sex, apparently. I can't even imagine the shock and controversy that would arise if Sansa actually has sex with someone but because she likes them - or, gods forbid, loves them (shock! horror! We can't have any romance in ASOAIF!).


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