Malakai Kahn Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Longclaw is the traditional sword of House Mormont and therefore Jeor Mormont had no right to give it away. If Ned had survived and passed Ice on to Robb and Robb then gave it away so many people would be annoyed at this claiming Robb had no right. With Jeor Mormont in the Nights Watch I don't think he has any right to have the sword anyway, it should have gone to Dacey as a noted warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Of course not. It's one of the dumbest moments in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 It's his sword and he can do whatever he wants with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Jorah was so desperate for money he sold people into slavery, a capital offense, but he didn't sell the sword even though he could've gotten a fortune for it. That's how important the sword was for House Mormont. Then Jeor just gifted it to some guy he met a few months ago and barely knew. Makes total sense. Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mountain That Flies Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think it depends on what Jeor might have thought would happen to the sword when Jon died. See, the Mormonts aren't Jeor's family anymore, the Watch is. And it's possible (since he probably already had Jon pegged for leadership) the sword could become the property of the Lord Commander, passed from one worthy leader to another.Or he could have just been a bit more into patriarchy than we suspect and felt the sword should go to a worthy male, of which there were none in his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Jorah was so desperate for money he sold people into slavery, a capital offense, but he didn't sell the sword even though he could've gotten a fortune for it. That's how important the sword was for House Mormont. Then Jeor just gifted it to some guy he met a few months ago and barely knew. Makes total sense. Not. I have to agree with this. At his worst, when he was selling away his soul literally, Jorah kept the family's most valuable treasure with it. I don't know what Jeor was thinking giving away a family heirloom on a virtual spur of the moment choice. I think it would be an incredibly classy move on Jon's part if he returned it to the Mormonts at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 You're saying he had "no right" to give his sword away, OP?Really?He can give that sword to whomever he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I also saw this as a strange event. Especially modifying the handle to a wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 It's not like he just said "Hey, I'll give this to my steward... you know, just because."Jon did just save his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viserys - The last dragon Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 It's his sword and he can do whatever he wants with it. Well yeah? I mean... sure.. but it might still be wrong..? And yes its his, but like the lordship he got a responsibility. He is giving away a family possession- one which should stay in the family. I believe its wrong. That others may disagree I understand, but the argument that "its his, he can do whatevah" is just terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So is the simplistic counter argument of "It's the family sword, it should stay."Right, wrong, don't we all know by now that reality is more complicated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 It's not like he just said "Hey, I'll give this to my steward... you know, just because." Jon did just save his life. You mean in all Jeor's years in the Watch no one else saved his life? I find that unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofless Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 How else would Jon end up with a Valyrian Steel sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 You mean in all Jeor's years in the Watch no one else saved his life? I find that unlikely. Being that Jon saved him from a walking corpse, it was kind of a unique situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 How else would Jon end up with a Valyrian Steel sword. Has Longclaw contributed to Jon's arc in any way beyond his buddies oohing and ahing over it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 It's hes to give to whoever he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So is the simplistic counter argument of "It's the family sword, it should stay." Right, wrong, don't we all know by now that reality is more complicated? Technically the men of the watch have no other family*, so by that logic it should go to a man of the watch surely? ;) Okay, yeah things are a bit more complicated than that. The thing is, why does Jeor even have the sword? As far as I remember, Jorah (the scumbag) left it behind when he ran away like a little girl, and it was sent to Jeor (?). *while that seems to be true in theory, in practice we know it isn't like that at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ned's Little Girl Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Since the Night's Watch are supposed to give up their family when they join, they should probably give up the family's possessions as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tywin Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Has Longclaw contributed to Jon's arc in any way beyond his buddies oohing and ahing over it?It probaly will call it foreshadowing perhaps.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion06 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Jorah was so desperate for money he sold people into slavery, a capital offense, but he didn't sell the sword even though he could've gotten a fortune for it. That's how important the sword was for House Mormont. Then Jeor just gifted it to some guy he met a few months ago and barely knew. Makes total sense. Not. I agree with this is. It's one of the most WTF moments in the series that exists for no other reason than to make Jon even more special. If Martin really had to give Jon a Valyrian steel sword, he could have just as easily introduced Longclaw as the sword of the Lord Commander that Jon took possession of when he became LC at the end of SoS. The sword has been utterly irrelevant so far anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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