Did the Green Grace accidentally reveal herself as the Harpy?

[markg171]

Ser Barristan was on his feet at once. "What is it?"

"The trebuchets," the Shavepate growled. "All six"

Galazza Galore rose. "Thus does Yunkai make reply to your offers, ser. I warned you that you would not like their answer."

They choose war, then. So be it. Ser Barristan felt oddly relieved. War he understood. "If they think they will break Meereen by thrwoing stones -"

"Not stones." The old woman's voice was full of grief, of fear. "Corpses."

Seems oddly strange that the Yunkai would throw corpses at Meereen. The whole point of throwing someone from a trebuchet, is that they're alive when you do so. It's a scare tactic that you threw a live person to smash to their death on your enemies walls. The defenders get to see the fear on the person's eyes, hear their screams, etc. Yet the Yunkai are throwing corpses. We're supposed to believe that they're throwing the hostages, but why kill them before you throw them to their deaths? They're going to die no matter what. The reason is because they're not the hostages, and this is all a ploy to break the peace and have war.

I believe the Green Grace accidentally slipped up here.

[The Wolfswood]

I assumed they were throwing the corpses of victims of the pale mare. Raining disease on a besieged city makes a lot of sense. Make the population want to get out.

In fact I think that is made clear in one of the Barriston chapters pre-released from TWOW.

[KingofSothoryos]

They are throwing corpses of those who died from the Pale Mare, a kind of primitive germ warfare!

[Bryanfury]

Catapulting corpses over a wall was a common seige tactic to spread disease. Didnt have to be people either

[markg171]

But the whole point of her going to the Yunkai, was to get the hostages back. She came back and said they're giving you their answer, i.e they're throwing you their corpses

[aryagonnakill#2]

^ No, that doesn't even make sense. They are throwing plague victims get over it.

[Fire Eater]

No, I think she revealed it when she echoes the Yunkai'i about the dragons, and says "These are dire days. Death stalks our streets, riding the pale mare from thrice-cursed Astapor. Dragons haunt the skies, feasting on the flesh of children."

How could she have known about Hazzea, the girl Drogon ate? The audience hall was almost empty by the time her father displayed her burned bones, and Dany paid him one hundred times the worth of a sheep for his silence. Her bones were put in the Temple of Graces, and candles were lit for her name, but the information about how she died was not supposed to leave the the audience hall. The GG likely has spies at Dany's court.

[PatrickStormborn]

No, I think she revealed it when she echoes the Yunkai'i about the dragons, and says "These are dire days. Death stalks our streets, riding the pale mare from thrice-cursed Astapor. Dragons haunt the skies, feasting on the flesh of children."

How could she have known about Hazzea, the girl Drogon ate? The audience hall was almost empty by the time her father displayed her burned bones, and Dany paid him one hundred times the worth of a sheep for his silence. Her bones were put in the Temple of Graces, and candles were lit for her name, but the information about how she died was not supposed to leave the the audience hall.

She paid Hazzea's father for his silence, but not any of her advisers. We already know that Reznak is working with the Green Grace and Hizdahr, so it makes sense that he would inform her of how Hazzea died.

But really I think she's referring to Rhaegal and Viserion there (incorrectly).

[markg171]

^ No, that doesn't even make sense. They are throwing plague victims get over it.

How does it not make sense? She went to ask for the hostages back and then she said that they wouldn't like their answer and without even looking outside, she said they were throwing corpses.

First off, how would she know that they were throwing corpses, and secondly what do corpses have to do with the hostages?

It's only in the WoW that we hear the Yunkish threw infected corpses into the city. But that doesn't change the fact that the very first corpses are mentioned in relation to the hostages. They can be 2 separate things

[markg171]

She paid Hazzea's father for his silence, but not any of her advisers. We already know that Reznak is working with the Green Grace and Hizdahr, so it makes sense that he would inform her of how Hazzea died.

But really I think she's referring to Rhaegal and Viserion there (incorrectly).

I think she was referring to the other dragons there like you say. But that doesn't make sense as Barristan mentions that the dragons haven't killed anybody since they were first let loose, they've been eating sheep. So she's lying here too, hence why she later says that the dragons must die. She wants them gone so she's lying

[RoamingRonin]

But the whole point of her going to the Yunkai, was to get the hostages back. She came back and said they're giving you their answer, i.e they're throwing you their corpses

That's what we are supposed to think but, no.

[assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar]

I'm pretty sure that at least one of the Winds preview chapters in Meereen (Tyrion? Victarion? one of them) confirms that they are in fact throwing diseased corpses and not the hostages. As was said, this was a common siege tactic. It's also, incidentally, how the Black Plague was introduced to western Europe.

I think the Green Grace is definitely the Harpy (and she "outs" herself a lot, like knowing stuff she shouldn't otherwise know, if Dany ever actually paid attention to what she was saying). But this example isn't one of the tells.

[Good Guy Garlan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember Barristan sending Archibald and Drink to tell the Tattered Prince to betray the Yunkaii and release Daario and the rest of the hostages in exchange for Pentos (god, is the Meereen storytelling needlessly convoluted or what?)

And in one of the WoW chapters we learn that Tatters might have agreed, possibly. But I agree with RoamingRonin in that we're mislead to think they're throwing the hostages (and why the hell not, to be honest. Daario has far outlived my tolerance)

[Robb_Warged]

Edit: wrong thread lol

[DireWolfSpirit]

My impression is it's Pale Mare infected corpses being catapulted.

Also agree with Jon( o.t.E.D.) the Mereen storytelling is hella convoluted and Daario

is annoying. Dany could do much better imo.

[Fire Eater]

She paid Hazzea's father for his silence, but not any of her advisers. We already know that Reznak is working with the Green Grace and Hizdahr, so it makes sense that he would inform her of how Hazzea died.

But really I think she's referring to Rhaegal and Viserion there (incorrectly).

Yet, none of them are recorded as feasting on children, only Drogon did that. That is a slip. Reznak is one suspect, but I don't think he was in league with Hizdahr; the GG, maybe.

[Gneisenau]

Didn't the Yunkai already start throwing corpses at this time ? Couldn't the Green Grace have simply observed that corpses were being thrown ?

I think Cersei is one of the few characters who does out herself. I think Cersei accidentally revealed to Ned that Jaime was the father.

[PatrickStormborn]

I think she was referring to the other dragons there like you say. But that doesn't make sense as Barristan mentions that the dragons haven't killed anybody since they were first let loose, they've been eating sheep. So she's lying here too, hence why she later says that the dragons must die. She wants them gone so she's lying

Well yeah, I agree. That's why I added "(incorrectly)". :) She's spreading false rumours because she wants the dragons to be killed. Barristan (and the readers) maybe know that the dragons aren't hunting down children, but I'm sure plenty of the Meereenese would be quick to believe what she says.

Yet, none of them are recorded as feasting on children, only Drogon did that. That is a slip. Reznak is one suspect, but I don't think he was in league with Hizdahr; the GG, maybe.

Yes, because she's lying or just spreading rumours. Let's be real for a second - there are dragons flying around Meereen. Would you be surprised if people honestly started believing that they were feasting on children? The fact that she mentions dragons feasting on the flesh of children AFTER the release of Rhaegal and Viserion suggests she is referring to them. Why would she be referring to Drogon when he's not even in the city? She is speaking about the present.

Reznak soon becomes close to Hizdahr once he's married Dany... There is quite evidently some kind of relationship between Reznak, the Green Grace and Hizdahr, if only because Reznak and the Green Grace wanted a Ghiscari king. But that's unimportant; if anyone leaked the death of Hazzea, it is obviously going to be Reznak. He is not loyal to Daenerys.

But even if no one leaked the information to her, how on earth does that indicate she's the Harpy?

[Maid So Fair]

I'm pretty sure that at least one of the Winds preview chapters in Meereen (Tyrion? Victarion? one of them) confirms that they are in fact throwing diseased corpses and not the hostages. As was said, this was a common siege tactic. It's also, incidentally, how the Black Plague was introduced to western Europe.

I think the Green Grace is definitely the Harpy (and she "outs" herself a lot, like knowing stuff she shouldn't otherwise know, if Dany ever actually paid attention to what she was saying). But this example isn't one of the tells.

She could just be well-informed or have a pretty good spy network and neither is a proof of wrong doing. I think she's the Harpy as well, but there's no real conclusive evidence.

[Ser Charles of Rosehaven]

I always took the "dragons feasting on children" part as dany and council holding hostages.