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Simple yes or no: Do you think Varys is a Targaryen loyalist?


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When it comes to Varys, everyone has their own personal opinions when it comes to his loyalty. Passages from the books are interpreted differently by each reader.



Some people say it's clear that his actions upto this date has always suggested that he has been loyal to the Targaryen's; advising Aerys not to open the gates to Tywin Lannister, ensuring Aerys's children managed to escape to safety, his plan to get Viserys on throne in the first place but danaerys becoming a thorn in his plans, his 'loyalty' to Aerys (widely disputed), his new aim to get Aegon on the throne.



Others say that evidence from the book and his actions say otherwise, conspiracies about him being a blackfyre; shaving his head to hide his true roots (although he could also be a Targaryen), claims that he deliberately enhanced Aerys's madness so that he could have his own way, his new aim to get some kid on the throne who 'IS NOT' a Targaryen on the etc.



It's seems to be pretty much 50/50...



So in your own personal opinion, do you consider Varys a Targaryen loyalist or not?


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Yes, in that Varys is working towards the AA/PTWP/3HotD prophecies.



ETA: By the way, TWOIAF made it less likely that Varys is a Blackfyre or working in the Blackfyre cause. It has been interesting watching smart people convince themselves that the Blackfyre theory is still viable.


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No.




He plays for himself and his family.






Yes, in that Varys is working towards the AA/PTWP/3HotD prophecies.



ETA: By the way, TWOIAF made it less likely that Varys is a Blackfyre or working in the Blackfyre cause. It has been interesting watching smart people convince themselves that the Blackfyre theory is still viable.





Lol what? Let's forget about the TWOIAF nonsense. How is he working towards the prophecies?


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No.

If he was a Targ loyalist, he would have helped Rhaegar to remove Aerys ASAP. If he was a Targ loyalist, he would have got Elia, Rhaenys and Aegon fromt he Red Keep.

Basically this.

No, Varys wasn't Targ supporter. His "loyalty" to Aerys led Targ dynasty to ruin.

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No. Realizing that Aerys was a nut case he still supported him and may have interfered with Rhaegar's plan to make Aerys take an early retirement. He has his own agenda, whatever it might be. And why would he be a Targ loyalist anyhow? He's a foreigner, growing up in the Free Cities, not Westeros.


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It's unclear but it'll be something simple when we find it out, like loyalty to a specific bloodline. In other words he's not going to end as some fighter for the ultimate good. He's one more dip with yet another dippy agenda that isn't "what's best for the realm", it's simply the direction he wants to steer the realm in to serve his own purpose. He's not any magical fix for the world, just as the guy who held the same job in tPatQ wasn't anything special in terms of his motivations and philosophy. His only specialness is in the murky plotline cloud he hides behind that creates an aura of mystery around him, and he's set apart by the depth of his machinations. He's like a functional Doran whose deep-think plotting actually produces results. That's it. The methods are amazing, the aims once revealed will be.... more mundane.


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Yes


He's absolutely a Targaryen loyalst.



an incompetent one... but a loyalist through and through



a better one would have done a better job keeping Aerys from alienating everyone one but Varys acctually helped that process along. IF he was working towards AA he would have done a better job of keeping Rhaegor and his father on good terms.



He is fairly good at collecting information but that is about it


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