Dmerle Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 This contains spoilers from aDwD and the upcoming fifth TV series, so be warned.So we know that in the upcoming TV series Jaime Lannister will be heading to Dorne, which is of course different from the books when he goes to Riverun. So it got me to thinking that he might die in the next book and TV series, so bare with me, here we go. I think that Jaime is going to go to Dorne and take over the role that Arys had in aDwD, think about it; Both are in the kings guard, it makes sense that Jaime would want to watch over Myrcella since she's his daughter, (even if he did take little interest in Joffreys wellbeing, that can be forgiven, it is Joffrey.) His relationship with Cersei took a massive blow, I think he's going to fall for Arianne and end up meeting Arys fate during aDwD (I can visualise Jaime charging into the fight, like the warrior he was, and being promptly cut down.) We also know that GRRM has given up some of what happens during the next books, let's say that Brienne does lead Jaime to Stoneheart, who kills him. Well seen as Stoneheart has been confirmed not to appear in the show, what would be the point of sending him to Riverun? I don't know, it's something I've been mulling over the last few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I believe that Jaime still has an important part to play. For one, I believe he's the Valanqar. For two, I think that he will do something to fill those pages in that book. So no, I don't think he dies so soon. I could see Brienne dying to save Jaime, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pesky Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 That's a really good theory! I could see him fitting those roles very well. But it does make me wonder what his existence will mean in The Winds of Winter. Also, how has Lady Stoneheart been confirmed to have been cut from the show? Not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious what the source for that is? I still think GRRM has written an interesting story with Stoneheart and Jaime, and I hope it actually leads somewhere; I would end up feeling pretty blah if there was no point to having that conflict in the books. However, I did read one fan theory saying that Sansa will take over Stoneheart's role, and IMO that sounds pretty cool for the show, although leave me confused for her role in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmerle Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 I believe that Jaime still has an important part to play. For one, I believe he's the Valanqar. For two, I think that he will do something to fill those pages in that book. So no, I don't think he dies so soon. I could see Brienne dying to save Jaime, though.I discarded Jamie as soon as I heard his "hands" as in plural.That's a really good theory! I could see him fitting those roles very well. But it does make me wonder what his existence will mean in The Winds of Winter. Also, how has Lady Stoneheart been confirmed to have been cut from the show? Not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious what the source for that is? I still think GRRM has written an interesting story with Stoneheart and Jaime, and I hope it actually leads somewhere; I would end up feeling pretty blah if there was no point to having that conflict in the books. However, I did read one fan theory saying that Sansa will take over Stoneheart's role, and IMO that sounds pretty cool for the show, although leave me confused for her role in the books.Thanks, Michelle confirmed that she wasn't coming back. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/game-of-thrones/10928715/Game-of-Thrones-why-Lady-Stoneheart-was-killed.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I discarded Jamie as soon as I heard his "hands" as in plural. ...and his gold hand doesn't count now? And there's also the chain of the Hand, which Tyrion used to choke Shae to death using just one hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaimetheConciliator Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Brienne has already saved Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larastone Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 ...and his gold hand doesn't count now? And there's also the chain of the Hand, which Tyrion used to choke Shae to death using just one hand. lol the fact that tv cersei made jaime get the golden hand and not tywin like its in the books is fishy too imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Brienne has already saved Jaime. And she just happens to be leading him into danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmerle Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 ...and his gold hand doesn't count now? And there's also the chain of the Hand, which Tyrion used to choke Shae to death using just one hand."The valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you." It's the use of words that jars me, he couldn't really "wrap his hands" around her throat when one is made from metal.Brienne has already saved Jaime.She lured him away under the pretense of "saving Sansa from the Hound" Seen as the hound is dead, and Sansa was last in the vale, it seems a little fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 "The valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you." It's the use of words that jars me, he couldn't really "wrap his hands" around her throat when one is made from metal. And there is a chain covered in hands that could be wrapped around her throat, choking her to death. Just like Shae. I can't think of it as a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmerle Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 And there is a chain covered in hands that could be wrapped around her throat, choking her to death.Just like Shae.I can't think of it as a coincidence.It still doesn't point to Jaime imo, I think it's either Tommen or a wildcard, but of course it's just guesswork at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I think it's more likely that Bronn takes Arys place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToTheWolves Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 This contains spoilers from aDwD and the upcoming fifth TV series, so be warned.So we know that in the upcoming TV series Jaime Lannister will be heading to Dorne, which is of course different from the books when he goes to Riverun. So it got me to thinking that he might die in the next book and TV series, so bare with me, here we go. I think that Jaime is going to go to Dorne and take over the role that Arys had in aDwD, think about it; Both are in the kings guard, it makes sense that Jaime would want to watch over Myrcella since she's his daughter, (even if he did take little interest in Joffreys wellbeing, that can be forgiven, it is Joffrey.) His relationship with Cersei took a massive blow, I think he's going to fall for Arianne and end up meeting Arys fate during aDwD (I can visualise Jaime charging into the fight, like the warrior he was, and being promptly cut down.) We also know that GRRM has given up some of what happens during the next books, let's say that Brienne does lead Jaime to Stoneheart, who kills him. Well seen as Stoneheart has been confirmed not to appear in the show, what would be the point of sending him to Riverun? I don't know, it's something I've been mulling over the last few days.I may have missed it but has arianne been casted finally? I thought they were cutting her and quentyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediterraneo Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Well, things are not going good for Jaime in the books if they are sending him in a very different direction in the show.Maybe they are sending him in a short lived direction, both in show and books. In this case, the differences would be short lived in time, and not cause too many butterfly effects down the road (which is shorter, in the show). The pleasant alternative would be much more things to do for Jaime, besides endlessly, good heartedly but not that efficently pacifying the Riverlands. But maybe given the slowing traveling speeds in Planteos there are no more chapters enough to get to King's Landing from Harrenhal, yet alone gettting to Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmerle Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 I may have missed it but has arianne been casted finally? I thought they were cutting her and quentyn.No news on that front yet, there were some leaked images a while ago of some people being torched by a Dragon but I can't remember if it was Quentyns final scene or the scene in the fighting pits. What I'm hoping for, and I know it might be a bit much, is that next season focuses on people like Quentyn, and Victarian and Euron. (Or it might just be me clinging onto the hope that Euron and Victarian still appear.)Well, things are not going good for Jaime in the books if they are sending him in a very different direction in the show. Maybe they are sending him in a short lived direction, both in show and books. In this case, the differences would be short lived in time, and not cause too many butterfly effects down the road (which is shorter, in the show). The pleasant alternative would be much more things to do for Jaime, besides endlessly, good heartedly but not that efficently pacifying the Riverlands. But maybe given the slowing traveling speeds in Planteos there are no more chapters enough to get to King's Landing from Harrenhal, yet alone gettting to Dorne.I doubt we'll get much, if any, focus on Riverrun on the show. There's only so much they can do in ten episodes and it's not a particularly interesting arc, especially without Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erza Whitewalker Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 This is slightly OT but is there ever a mention of the chain of office (the linked golden hands) in aGoT? Ned had a silver pin and suddenly in succeeding books we have a chain. A slight retcon so that Tyrion could strangle Shae (in the show he bought her a heavy golden necklace) or did I miss something about Ned perhaps eschewing ostentatiousness? As to the OP, I don't think he will suffer Arys Oakheart's fate. I vaguely remember a producer Q&A where they joked about Jaime strapping on his jet pack to get to both Dorne and the Riverlands. Book or show I see Jaime surviving past WoW although not necessarily through to the end. (aDoS, please let it end in 7 books!) He's my top candidate for the valonqar, whether he uses the Hand's chain or both his hands - the golden one can't really grip but it can assist in crushing a windpipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old the True the Brave Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 That is a good theory but i thought Airenne was not going to be in the show? Or has that changed and they casted somebody? I also remember them saying there was going to be a fight in the show that didn't take place in the books which i think will involve Jaime Lannister in Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Malenkirk Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Funny, I took it the other way. Dramatically, It's hard for me to to imagine that Jaime and Brienne will never meet again in the show. So if he's going to Dorne, he's safe for the time being IMO. Now if Brienne is headed that way, I'll worry for them! Concerning Jaime taking Arys 'role', it hard to imagine without Arianne. Without Arianne, Arys has no role in that part of the story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmerle Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 This is slightly OT but is there ever a mention of the chain of office (the linked golden hands) in aGoT? Ned had a silver pin and suddenly in succeeding books we have a chain. A slight retcon so that Tyrion could strangle Shae (in the show he bought her a heavy golden necklace) or did I miss something about Ned perhaps eschewing ostentatiousness? As to the OP, I don't think he will suffer Arys Oakheart's fate. I vaguely remember a producer Q&A where they joked about Jaime strapping on his jet pack to get to both Dorne and the Riverlands. Book or show I see Jaime surviving past WoW although not necessarily through to the end. (aDoS, please let it end in 7 books!) He's my top candidate for the valonqar, whether he uses the Hand's chain or both his hands - the golden one can't really grip but it can assist in crushing a windpipe.Oh I hope I'm wrong. Jaime is up there with my top five favourite characters in the books, I still think a lot of factors point in that direction though even if the producers are hiding certain things from us. (Which undoubtedly they are.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Not That Littlefinger Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 i have no idea how Jaime will end up in dorne. i wonder if he'll meet up with brienne in s6. i don't see them cutting their last? interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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