No one has the parents they think they have

[Luddagain]

Jon is obviously about one full year OLDER that Dany. When we first meet Jon he is 14 and there is a two- three month period before his 15th birthday (time for Robert to arrive), (1 week), Robert stays at Winterfell 2-4 weeks (it was 2 but with Bran's fall I think departure delayed) then 2 weeks travel and several weeks after benjen departs so it is at least two and even three months.

When we first meet Dany she is 13. Robert hears of her marriage about 5/6 weeks after we meet the kids and assuming it took several weeks for news to reach him, Dany has just married and is still 13. It would seem she turned 14 pretty much the same time Jon turned 15 and certainly she is no less than 11 months younger.

Which as a matter of fact makes it rather HARD for Aerys to be her father OR Lyanna was not Jon's Mother/did not die in child birth.

Dany was conceived supposedly about the time of the sack so she can have been born around 6-7 months after Ned was at the ToJ. Either Jon was already 4 months old OR Dany was conceived later.

Rob s was still 14 when we meet him and we are told he one or two months older than Jon which means he is 12 -13 months older than Dany.

So here are the possibilities:

Option 1. Dany conceived at KL close to the time of the sack. Jon already 2-3 months old which means he was conceived VERY close to the start of the war, Robb must already be 3-5 months old which means he was conceived BEFORE the war.

Dany - Possible parents: Must have at least on Targ parent

Rhaella +Aerys (as we assume)

Rhaella and anyone else at KL at the time of the sack (might be anyone, including Tywin, Ned, Jaime)

Someone pretending to be Rhaella (eg Ashara - she resembles her) plus Aerys (hard with Viserys who knows his mother but???)

Jon - Possible parents - Must have one Stark (Benjen, Ned or Lyanna) - Brandon and Ricakard dead

Lyanna and Rhaegar

Lyanna and just about anyone she met from the time of her "kidnap" through to the birth. This could be Aerys (Yuck but possible), any member of the KG at ToJ

Benjen and someone (not possible because he was at Winterfell)

Ned and (Willa, Ashara, fisherman's daughter, Rhaella who perhaps was NOT at KL)

Robb:

Catelyn and Brandon or YUCKY LF

Option 2: Dany conceived after the sack ie Aerys NOT her father

Dany possible parents - must have one Targ

Mother Rhaella father Arthur Dayne (she looks like Ashara)

Mother Rhaella - Ned

Mother Rhaella - any one else at ToJ including KG or one of Ned's men

Mother Rhaella - and super yuck, but dad is Rhaegar. It sort of fits with the prophesy Rhaegar plunges sword - water =Elia=Aegon, Lion =wolf = Lyanna=Jon, person he most loved= Rhaella= Dany. It assumes Rhaegar did NOT die at the trident

Mother Ashara - father Rhaegar

Mother Lyanna - father Rhaegar (Lyanna did not die)

Jon; Possible parents

Any combination works. He would have been conceived 3 months into the war.

Robb

Catelyn and Ned as we assume

Option 3: Dany is really older than we are told - no rtational reason other than that GRRM is an idiot.

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Jon is 8-9 months older than Dany, not a year.

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Chronology

It's also easy to pinpoint when Dany was conceived. It was on the night that Aerys burned Chelsted, because he was sexually aroused by burning people. Jaime overhears Aerys raping Rhaella that night, and that's when Dany was conceived. Rossart, the last Hand of Aerys and Chelsted's predecessor, was Hand for a fortnight, i.e. two weeks, before Jaime killed him during the Sack. Assuming Rossart was installed soon or immediately after Chelsted was burned (which seems likely; the office wouldn't be left empty), this puts Dany's conception at about two weeks before the Sack. Which fits Dany's description of her birth, about nine months after Rhaella and Viserys went to Dragonstone, which they did as soon as news of the Trident reached the capital, which was shortly before the Sack.

GRRM says that Jon is 8-9 months older than Dany. Accounting for the two weeks between the Sack and when she was conceived, you can ballpark that Dany was born probably 8.5 months after the Sack. If Jon is 8-9 months older, that puts his birth within a few weeks of the Sack, either before or after.

[J. Stargaryen]

I think all parents with newborns in Westeros formed a big circle and passed each baby one spot to the left. The only real alternative to this theory is that it was one spot to the right.

[Hardtack]

Aegon VI was clearly actually the child of Ned Stark and Elia Martell - why do you think Ned was so torn up about Aegon's death? Ned took her for a ride on his direwolf at Harrenhal, and 9 months later the usual thing happened, but Rhaegar was too oblivious to figure it out.

Daenerys is similarly the result of an encounter between Ned Stark and Rhaella Targaryen; he caught them fleeing King's Landing after the Trident. He let them go because he's a cool guy, but not before doing what the Ned does best.

Jon Snow? Ned and Lyanna. Rhaegar's kidnapping plot was supposed to be a cover for them to hook up (Rhaegar was down with the incest thing, being a rather inbred guy himself), but it went horribly awry.

Sam Tarly? Ned didn't like the look of Randyll when he was breaking the siege of Storm's End.

Robert Arryn? Ned got lost on his wedding and one red-headed lady looks much like another in the dark.

Did I miss anyone?

[JonSnow4President]

I think all parents with newborns in Westeros formed a big circle and passed each baby one spot to the left. The only real alternative to this theory is that it was one spot to the right.

No, that's silly. It was 2 spots to the left, of course.

[King of the Rock]

Aegon VI was clearly actually the child of Ned Stark and Elia Martell - why do you think Ned was so torn up about Aegon's death? Ned took her for a ride on his direwolf at Harrenhal, and 9 months later the usual thing happened, but Rhaegar was too oblivious to figure it out.

Daenerys is similarly the result of an encounter between Ned Stark and Rhaella Targaryen; he caught them fleeing King's Landing after the Trident. He let them go because he's a cool guy, but not before doing what the Ned does best.

Jon Snow? Ned and Lyanna. Rhaegar's kidnapping plot was supposed to be a cover for them to hook up (Rhaegar was down with the incest thing, being a rather inbred guy himself), but it went horribly awry.

Sam Tarly? Ned didn't like the look of Randyll when he was breaking the siege of Storm's End.

Robert Arryn? Ned got lost on his wedding and one red-headed lady looks much like another in the dark.

Did I miss anyone?

I concur. I also suspected Ned to be Tyrion's father. There had to be a reason why they didn't want to marry each other. Tyrion being the charming, wealthy, strong jawed man that he is, and Sansa being young and beautiful. I think Darkstar is also Ned's son. You CAN'T prove he's not, therefore he is.

[Isobel Harper]

I think all parents with newborns in Westeros formed a big circle and passed each baby one spot to the left. The only real alternative to this theory is that it was one spot to the right.

This made me laugh, too much I think.

[Liz Stark-Targaryen]

:bowdown: @ this entire thread.

(Please, God, let TWoW be released in 2015! Thought TWoIaF would cure of some of this wild speculation, but erm...)

[Luddagain]

So you are all saying GRRM is a crap writer!!!!!

if Jon is 9 months older than Dany then she would be JUST 14 when the series starts but we KNOW she was 13 and needed to marry and spend several months on the saddle before her 14 birthday. The most you could stretch it is that she is 13 yr and 10 months with Jon 14 yr and 7 months.

The dates just do not match. The only other explanation is that she met Drogo about the time Gared met the WW and news of her wedding took several months to reach Robert

[Lord Lannister]

Aegon VI was clearly actually the child of Ned Stark and Elia Martell - why do you think Ned was so torn up about Aegon's death? Ned took her for a ride on his direwolf at Harrenhal, and 9 months later the usual thing happened, but Rhaegar was too oblivious to figure it out.

Daenerys is similarly the result of an encounter between Ned Stark and Rhaella Targaryen; he caught them fleeing King's Landing after the Trident. He let them go because he's a cool guy, but not before doing what the Ned does best.

Jon Snow? Ned and Lyanna. Rhaegar's kidnapping plot was supposed to be a cover for them to hook up (Rhaegar was down with the incest thing, being a rather inbred guy himself), but it went horribly awry.

Sam Tarly? Ned didn't like the look of Randyll when he was breaking the siege of Storm's End.

Robert Arryn? Ned got lost on his wedding and one red-headed lady looks much like another in the dark.

Did I miss anyone?

All that only works if Ned is a secret Targaryen himself.

[The Ned's Little Girl]

I think Darkstar is also Ned's son. You CAN'T prove he's not, therefore he is.

Absolutely. I suspect that Darkstar is the son of Ned and Oberyn Martell. Because Oberyn Martell is just that awesome.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

Oberyn Martell can make people get pregnant by just looking at them.

It is known.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

So you are all saying GRRM is a crap writer!!!!!

if Jon is 9 months older than Dany then she would be JUST 14 when the series starts but we KNOW she was 13 and needed to marry and spend several months on the saddle before her 14 birthday. The most you could stretch it is that she is 13 yr and 10 months with Jon 14 yr and 7 months.

The dates just do not match. The only other explanation is that she met Drogo about the time Gared met the WW and news of her wedding took several months to reach Robert

Did you ever wonder how it is possible that something happens in a Dany chapter, all the way in Essos (usually without means of communication around), and people in Westeros learn if it only a few chapters later?

Dany's chapters, when viewed in A purely chronological way, seem to start in late 297 AC, while the other storylines (Bran, Jon, Ned etc.) start off a few months into 298 AC. The further along the storylines come, the mote synchronized they get.. by the time we reach the Red Comet, the storylined are more or less occurring at the same time again.

[corbon]

So you are all saying GRRM is a crap writer!!!!!

if Jon is 9 months older than Dany then she would be JUST 14 when the series starts but we KNOW she was 13 and needed to marry and spend several months on the saddle before her 14 birthday. The most you could stretch it is that she is 13 yr and 10 months with Jon 14 yr and 7 months.

The dates just do not match. The only other explanation is that she met Drogo about the time Gared met the WW and news of her wedding took several months to reach Robert

Read the link provided to you in post #2.

[SnowHeart]

Oberyn Martell can make people get pregnant by just looking at them.

It is known.

You win. That's the best thing I've read all week.

[Luddagain]

Rhaenys

Thanks for the rational reply.

I was allowing several weeks for news to travel from Pentos but concede it could be 6 weeks. It still leaves the time lines out by 1-2 months.

News must have traveled OK because Ser Jorah sent messages and got replies in what must have been less that 4 months.

[Varys+Cersei=Aemon]

I think all parents with newborns in Westeros formed a big circle and passed each baby one spot to the left. The only real alternative to this theory is that it was one spot to the right.

It is known.

[Ser Charles of Rosehaven]

I think all parents with newborns in Westeros formed a big circle and passed each baby one spot to the left. The only real alternative to this theory is that it was one spot to the right.

It is known. Sam and Munda are in truth twins.

[Ser Charles of Rosehaven]

Absolutely. I suspect that Darkstar is the son of Ned and Oberyn Martell. Because Oberyn Martell is just that awesome.

Wait wasnt it Ned with Arthur.?

[The Ned's Little Girl]

Wait wasnt it Ned with Arthur.?

Could be, could be. It doesn't explain the awesomeness that is Oberyn Martell, though. Unless.... Darkstar is the product of a threesome! That is why Darkstar is "of the night". And it makes Oberyn even more amazing.