Caesar Targaryen Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I think if Tywin Lannister somehow became king, the realm would be much more stable. Think about it: when he served as Aerys' hand, he did most of the heavy lifting for him, and the kingdoms prospered. So he already has/had experience in ruling the realm. He's also a great leader and tactician and seems like the kind of guy that if you stayed on his good side, he'd leave you be but would use force to subdue any uprisings and send a message to any others who might not to (i.e. his destruction of House Reyne). So as much as we like to think of him as a villain, I think he would have been a better king than any of the actual competitors in the Wot5K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 IDK, part of being a lord/king is being a father and continuing your line. Tywin was a horrible father and Jaime would have been a horrible king after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Knight Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I think if Tywin Lannister somehow became king, the realm would be much more stable. Think about it: when he served as Aerys' hand, he did most of the heavy lifting for him, and the kingdoms prospered. So he already has/had experience in ruling the realm. He's also a great leader and tactician and seems like the kind of guy that if you stayed on his good side, he'd leave you be but would use force to subdue any uprisings and send a message to any others who might not to (i.e. his destruction of House Reyne). So as much as we like to think of him as a villain, I think he would have been a better king than any of the actual competitors in the Wot5K. The thing is, if Tywin had lived long enough to be Tommen's regent, he would actually be the de facto king. Even with him as Joffrey's hand, Tywin was able to exercise a lot of power, but it was limited by Joffrey's desire to rule everything himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagururgf Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Should have been if it was just down to aptitude - WOIAF showed how good he was at running Westeros. But the point of monarchy is it is not just down to aptitude - Robert had a Targ grandmother and the best claim to the throne of anyone not called Targaryen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Targaryen Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Should have been if it was just down to aptitude - WOIAF showed how good he was at running Westeros. But the point of monarchy is it is not just down to aptitude - Robert had a Targ grandmother and the best claim to the throne of anyone not called Targaryen. That's what I'm saying. If bloodlines didn't matter, Tywin would be the best king for the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagururgf Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 If bloodlines didn't matter, Tywin would be the best king for the realm. For all we know some whore from Flea Bottom would have been the best 'man' to run the realm! But understand what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pie Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Personally I don't think so. What would Tywin have done if the people of sherrer went to him after being burnt out of their homes? Not much if you ask me. Unless it benefits Tywin that is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rrachel Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 A king must put it's people before himself and his own ideals... which I belive Tywin wouldn't had been able to archive. Tywin has always playing for the Lannister's ideals, for putting his familt on the IT and becoming more powerfull. He is a very intelligent man and a lot of people fear him: his word was rule for a lot of people. Indeed, maybe he could have been a better King than Robert for example, but he isn't the perfect and ideal King either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 That's what I'm saying. If bloodlines didn't matter, Tywin would be the best king for the realm.Tywin can be King of the Westernlands the people of Westeros should not have to suffer a monster such as Tywin Lannister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Personally I don't think so. What would Tywin have done if the people of sherrer went to him after being burnt out of their homes? Not much if you ask me. Unless it benefits Tywin that is...If he was the king he probably would, just because it violates the laws and authority of his rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingofSothoryos Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Should have been if it was just down to aptitude - WOIAF showed how good he was at running Westeros. But the point of monarchy is it is not just down to aptitude - Robert had a Targ grandmother and the best claim to the throne of anyone not called Targaryen. Though I am a fan of Tywin and do agree with the OP, we should take the opinion of WOIAF with a grain of salt as it is from the perspective of a maester who is writing the history for Tommen. It glorifies the Baratheons and Lannisters to curry favor not because its completely accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pie Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 If he was the king he probably would, just because it violates the laws and authority of his rule. Perhaps but I just don't think Tywin cares enough about the smallfolk, any smallfolk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hoster Tully should have been King. I think he has Tywin's practicality, but forged more powerful alliances. As to if Tywin would have been a good King at all, I think he would, honestly. But he seems to work better behind the scenes (ie Hand). Be the power behind the power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaechyll Targaryen Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think Tywin would have been a much better king than Robert who basically had his feet put up a lot of the time.And while I *know* people wouldn' t go for it, if the Lannisters had been allowed to emulate the Targaryens with a Jaime Cersei marriage I wonder if things might have been better for a lot of people. Again, I don't think the people would go for the incest even though Targs were doing it for years without the threat of dragons to back them up. Going with the idea though that people would have been able to accept Tywin as king with Jaime to follow and whatever kids he and Cersei had marrying into other houses to solidify alliances in addition to making the point that they aren't trying to set up some thing where there's incest for generations. If that had happened--Robert wouldn't have had to be king and likely would have been happier as Lord of Storm's End. He wouldn't have had to marry Cersei. Hell, he might not have married at all. Might have been happier that way.Stannis would never have felt slighted over Storm's End.The succession wouldn't be in question apart from the threat of Viserys and Dany and I feel like Tywin probably would have had them taken out early on.The crown wouldn't have been in massive debt with Tywin in charge. Ned would never have been made Hand.Renly and Loras might one day have served in the KG together. If nothing else Renly wouldn't have been tempted into taking the throne for himself.Tyrion as a prince might have ended up with Dragonstone. He'd probably still be denied the Rock with someone like Tommen getting the Rock in this scenario, but I still think he might have been happier.Bran wouldn't have been thrown in this scenario. No kidnapped Tyrion, no retaliation on the Riverlands.Joffrey would have probably had his ass checked by Tywin and likely Jaime if he were allowed to behave as a father.I can even see a scenario where the betrothals of the Lannister children being different too. Certainly in this scenario I can't see Myrcella being betrothed to Trystane. Robb or Willas seem the most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Just because Tywin will make the trains run on time does not means that he will be a good king . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaechyll Targaryen Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I just said he'd be a better king than Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I just said he'd be a better king than Robert. Tywin had the Tarbecks and the Reynes wiped out, to the last infant, simply for defying his authority. How is that better than Robert, who forgave former enemies right and left after his successful rebellion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 You may want to read a couple of books about Tywin Lannister's legacy: they are called A Feast for the Crows and A Dance with Dragons. Should have been if it was just down to aptitude - WOIAF showed how good he was at running Westeros. You mean, the book that was written for Tommen and which had as the main source for anything related to Tywin good old Maester Pycelle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaechyll Targaryen Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Robert put the realm in massive debt and this has a huge negative impact on the smallfolk. The crown had all kinds of money before Robert took over and Robert goes and puts himself financially in debt to.Tywin Lannister of all people. KL would be going hungry if it weren't for te Tyrells and the situation wouldn't have been nearly as dire to the smallfolk if Robert hadn't made the Crown broke.Also, wasn't Ned all pissed off that Robert was happy to see the dead "dragonspawn". Robert was willing to have kids killed on his behalf he just didn't really want to see it or do it himself because at the end of the day he had some sort of conscience. Which makes a lot of his less savoury behavior harder to take at times because he knows he's wrong.Robert also wanted to kill Dany and Viserys so it's not like Robert was above exterminating House Targaryen. Viserys and Dany were lucky they were ferried to safety likewise Dany was lucky again because she'd won Jorah over.Also, it isn't as though Tywin wasn't capable of understanding the importance of being able to reconcile (at least on the surface) with enemies. Doesn't he have a conversation where he's trying to school Joffrey about what to do when a now former enemy agrees to bend the knee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisch Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 As a younger man, perhaps. But Tywin as we see him in the books? Tywin's leadership style is one of of extreme ruthlessness to put down threats as fast as possible. This wins him short-term victories and creates a thin layer of stability over society. But look what happened when Tywin-the-Hand died; the animosity bred by his actions began to rise up and tear at his legacy almost immediately. I can't believe that Tywin-the-King would be much different. His style of dealing with opposition, his terrible parenting, and the sort of issue he left behind would ultimately destroy whatever he built. And, by the time we meet Tywin, concern for his surname seems to have overtaken concern for the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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