rebel to conform Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Not sure if this has come up before, but I didn't see any threads that specifically mentioned it, so I thought I'd give it a shot. At the end of ADWD Jon is stabbed. Multiple times. While a quick trip to a hospital or a timely spell from Melisandre might be able to save him... I don't think anything will. Once several Night's Watch members decided to assassinate Jon, I think the others are going to be too dumbstruck to do anything other than agree that they have to burn the body. Melisandre isn't strong enough to take on the entire Night's Watch, so she has to let it happen. My prediction then is that in the flames of Jon's funeral pyre, Melisandre sees something that changes her future. Maybe it's something that changes her alliance away from Stannis? I'm not sure, but I don't think Jon's body is going to be saved. As for the the warging into Ghost theories... I don't believe we'll get any hard proof, but I can see Ghost's behavior being a little different... What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 1. We have no idea Mel can actually resurrect him 2. If Jon is put on a pyre, he will burn, yes, but I doubt he will be burned 3. It would be repetitive, we already have two characters resurrected the same way. 4. Jon is not dead. His story hasn't finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGpanther Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 At the time Jon's body is burned he will be wargin Ghost which will protect his mind or spirit whatever from the fire magic ala Dondarrion and Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I don't see Jon's story as being complete. Killing him off doesn't move the story along in anyway that I can see. As far as him moving into Ghost, if you don't think he will do this then you may want to reread the prologue, it's there for a reason. Can't see why an author would set stuff like that up and then not use it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg171 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 JUST LIKE THE TARGARYEN'S BURN THEIR DEAD, OMG R+L=J!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Not sure if this has come up before, but I didn't see any threads that specifically mentioned it, so I thought I'd give it a shot. At the end of ADWD Jon is stabbed. Multiple times. While a quick trip to a hospital or a timely spell from Melisandre might be able to save him... I don't think anything will. Once several Night's Watch members decided to assassinate Jon, I think the others are going to be too dumbstruck to do anything other than agree that they have to burn the body. Melisandre isn't strong enough to take on the entire Night's Watch, so she has to let it happen. My prediction then is that in the flames of Jon's funeral pyre, Melisandre sees something that changes her future. Maybe it's something that changes her alliance away from Stannis? I'm not sure, but I don't think Jon's body is going to be saved. As for the the warging into Ghost theories... I don't believe we'll get any hard proof, but I can see Ghost's behavior being a little different... What do you think? There is that part where Bran sees into the future and sees Jon in a cold room with all warmth leaving his body. I think they put him into one of the cells under the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg171 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I don't see Jon's story as being complete. Killing him off doesn't move the story along in anyway that I can see.As far as him moving into Ghost, if you don't think he will do this then you may want to reread the prologue, it's there for a reason. Can't see why an author would set stuff like that up and then not use it later.He does use it. Bran makes Varamyr his bitch later on when Summer fights him for control of the pack.Secondly, there is a massive difference between a warg like Varamyr who can warg whenever he wants, and Jon who has never shown this ability. For Jon to suddenly learn to control his warging talents as he's dying, is poor writing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebel to conform Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 Expecting someone's story to 'not be finished' doesn't exactly fit with GRRM's writing style... There's a good point behind Jon's body being put in an ice cell. That's definitely a strong possibility, but so much is but into funeral pyres and burning the dead at the Wall. It seems like a likely course of action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Well you are being short sighted also. If you remember GRRM has stated Jon will learn his parents are. How will this happen if he dies there from this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg171 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 There is that part where Bran sees into the future and sees Jon in a cold room with all warmth leaving his body. I think they put him into one of the cells under the Wall.You sure that's not when Jon is confined to the ice cells for being a traitor by Slynt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themongrel Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 He does use it. Bran makes Varamyr his bitch later on when Summer fights him for control of the pack.Secondly, there is a massive difference between a warg like Varamyr who can warg whenever he wants, and Jon who has never shown this ability. For Jon to suddenly learn to control his warging talents as he's dying, is poor writing to me.Heres the thing though, Jon "never felt the forth knife". Its possible he saw the forth knife but I always understood it as he either knew later he was stabbed four time,( this would show a time gap however which is inconsistent with writing tense) or he saw the forth knife from a different vantage point.I dont have the book but so im not sure if he was stabed in the back or front. food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonDreamer Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 No, his body won't be put in a pyre. If he was put in a funeral fire he'd be incinerated. The only reason Dany survived the pyre was because of the dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 You sure that's not when Jon is confined to the ice cells for being a traitor by Slynt? I won't say that's not possible, but I will say that all warmth could not have left his body if he was still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebel to conform Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 Well you are being short sighted also. If you remember GRRM has stated Jon will learn his parents are. How will this happen if he dies there from this? GAHHHHH... totally forgot this. X( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg171 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Heres the thing though, Jon "never felt the forth knife". Its possible he saw the forth knife but I always understood it as he either knew later he was stabbed four time,( this would show a time gap however which is inconsistent with writing tense) or he saw the forth knife from a different vantage point.I dont have the book but so im not sure if he was stabed in the back or front. food for thought.Jon also never felt the first knife either. He thinks he gets punched in the stomach. So I'm not sure why there's this bias in thinking that he never felt the 4th one must mean something either.Secondly, why would they stop at 4 times? They're committed to making sure he's dead and they know how to kill someone. It's far more likely that as Jon passes out, someone slits his throat and finishes him off. He's defenceless and they just attacked their LC, they're going to make sure he dies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themongrel Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Jon also never felt the first knife either. He thinks he gets punched in the stomach. So I'm not sure why there's this bias in thinking that he never felt the 4th one must mean something either.Secondly, why would they stop at 4 times? They're committed to making sure he's dead and they know how to kill someone. It's far more likely that as Jon passes out, someone slits his throat and finishes him off. He's defenceless and they just attacked their LC, they're going to make sure he diesLast time I was punched in the stomach I still felt it. Just because he does not automatically know its a stab wound and not a punch does not qualify it as not feeling it.Also following the text there is no indication of further attacks so I can't assume this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Ahai Targeryan Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 i think Jons body getting burnt is something that will happen but his body isnt going to burn,infact this is the very place where AA will be reborn amidst smoke and salt (Jon would kill the boy and let the man grow),also the AA prophecy of a hero drawing a sword from fire is also likely to be fulfiled since he will be burnt with Longclaw in his hands and this will probably make Mel a Jon believer.i think its time since she needs to get her shit together for she is damn important in the war against WW campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Coldhands Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 If Jon was dead I would be sure of it, all of us would. Ned's story was coming to a close, there was nothing more for him to do. Robb and Catelyn's death served a purpose. But I do not see a purpose for Jon to die. He must defend the Wall against the Others. I think he will recover under Melisandre's help (not specifically spells) and order Bowen Marsh and the other Black Brothers who stabbed him executed. GRRM kills off a lot of main characters, but he is a good writer. He won't just kill on a whim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reckoner Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Jon becoming a wight would open up a world of possibilities when it comes to explaining what exactly wights are, their connection to the Others and whatever may be leading the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drowned Prophet Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 OP, you seem to forget that the Wildlings and Queen's Men (read: Melisandre's men) greatly outnumber what is left of the Night's Watch (even before we exclude Wildling-come-Crows like Leathers etc). So you're assertion that Mel can't take on the NW is incorrect. Also, if the parallel to Julius Caesar in Jon's death are anything to go by, then Bowen Marsh is in big trouble. ETA: (From Wiki 'Assassination of Julius Caesar') "The Roman lower classes, with whom Caesar was popular, became enraged that a small group of aristocrats had sacrificed Caesar. " or "The Wildlings, with whom Jon Snow was popular, (will) become enraged that a small of group of (NW) officers had sacrificed Jon Snow." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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