packfan2able Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I know this is a question that has been talked to death but I can't make up my mind. All I've decided is that Varys isn't just working for Vary's. He does everything with such utter care and strategy, To me it seems like there's more on the line for him than just power or greed or what have you. Some have said children of the forest, some have said the Targs, some have said the Blackfyres, but what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Those who have said he is for CotF should give another try with the series. As for Varys, I am torn between Blackfyres and spirit of revolution... Or perhaps both... God, I am fickle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmerle Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I think he wants to see a decent king on the throne, Rhaegar would of been the best. So I think he now wants either Aegon or Danaerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitering Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I am guessing he actually is with the people...it's impossible to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 My Crackpot is that his castration because he was sold to a mage has given him a strong sense of justice for the common folk. He stole goods and later info from wealthy folk when he was young and he was quite effective as master of whispers to Aerys. He did his job quite well and on the eve of the destruction of the Royal line he realized he had an opportunity to save his liege and mold him into the Ideal ruler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tommen Baratheon Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm pretty sure he is with the blackfyre's/himself. I don't see him as the kind of person who cares about the smallfolk, and as much as I like Aegon, I can't really support him until Varys is dead. If he cared about the realm, he'd have let Kevan fix stuff, instead of murdering him. I really don't like Varys or Illyrio, but I don't see many people sharing that opinion. Can anyone explain why people support them/like them? I don't find them morally correct, or at all engaging. (Not trying to cause offence, just wondering.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fresh PtwP Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Varys allegiance in order of importance: 1.) Varys2.) Targs3.) Common folk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Aegon Targaryen, firstborn son of Rhaegar, Prince of Dragonstone, by Princess Elia of Dorne soon to be Aegon, the Sixth of His Name, King of Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, and Lord of the Seven Kingdoms. ...Or aso he and Illyrio would have us believe. Blood red on top. Black rot beneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Cold Fingers Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Varys is for Varys until we know 100% otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Varys's motives are far from clear, but him supporting the Children of the Forest is on the face of it ridiculous. There's no evidence that he's even heard of them, much less is working for them. If anyone can point out anyplace in the books where he is even remotely connected with them I'd like to see it. Otherwise it's an asspull of astounding proportions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Varys's motives are far from clear, but him supporting the Children of the Forest is on the face of it ridiculous. There's no evidence that he's even heard of them, much less is working for them. If anyone can point out anyplace in the books where he is even remotely connected with them I'd like to see it. Otherwise it's an asspull of astounding proportions. varys is working for the great other, AKA littlefinger and they are working to rebuild the second wall that they built after humans stole their first wall because the others only made it to stop themselves and not their ancient enemy. I have no proof but you cant prove me wrong so it must be right it is known Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Varys's motives are far from clear, but him supporting the Children of the Forest is on the face of it ridiculous. There's no evidence that he's even heard of them, much less is working for them. If anyone can point out anyplace in the books where he is even remotely connected with them I'd like to see it. Otherwise it's an asspull of astounding proportions. Seems to me he would've been more helpful to Ned Stark and tried to influence events on Robb's behalf later on if he was a devotee of the old gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew medici Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Varys is working to maintin the realm with good rulers why idk but it seems like he servers someone why more important than a house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 My Crackpot is that his castration because he was sold to a mage has given him a strong sense of justice for the common folk. He stole goods and later info from wealthy folk when he was young and he was quite effective as master of whispers to Aerys. He did his job quite well and on the eve of the destruction of the Royal line he realized he had an opportunity to save his liege and mold him into the Ideal ruler. I believe this as well. What I'm still trying to figure out is Illyrio's role in this. While I can rationalize (to an extent) Varys' reasons, I can't Illyrio's at all. Except greed - but his motivations have to be more than becoming Master of Coins in Westeros. (Ref: According to Illyrio in ADoD, Viserys had promised Illyrio a position as Master of Coins when he returned to Westeros.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Varys allegiance in order of importance: 1.) Varys 2.) Targs 3.) Common folk Hmm, I personally feel that the common folk are more important to Varys than the Targaryens. Aegon, Daenerys, and Viserys have all been pawns in their "game" since the beginning, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Those who have said he is for CotF should give another try with the series. another try with the series? What about another try with High school and basic lessons of reading comprehension. The Old Gods and the New know few boarders here would do fine with some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I believe this as well. What I'm still trying to figure out is Illyrio's role in this. While I can rationalize (to an extent) Varys' reasons, I can't Illyrio's at all. Except greed - but his motivations have to be more than becoming Master of Coins in Westeros. (Ref: According to Illyrio in ADoD, Viserys had promised Illyrio a position as Master of Coins when he returned to Westeros.) Illyrio, despite his wealth and power still lives somewhat under the yolk of the Pentos rulers. By backing his teenage friend, the friend that helped him become incredibly wealthy, he has a chance to truly rise to the top. He still will have all of his wealth in Pentos but he will also have the wealth of the Iron throne as well. That is very appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 The only thing that's clear about him is that he's pro-Aegon, whoever Aegon is. Now, whether his ultimate motivation is to put perfect king on the throne (which is what I think) or just to support Blackfyres is another question, still unclear for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Goat Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I really have no idea who or what Varys is for. Himself? The realm? The Targaryens? Someone or something else? Even Littlefinger is easier to figure out, since we know he's just out for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Lorath Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I can't help but feel like the Varys/Littlefinger cold war is a ruse, and they're really in cahoots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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