Highgarden & Casterly Rock TWOW

[kompaya]

In an interview a while back http://www.tiff.net/education/events/george-martin

students were allowed to ask GRRM questions. One guy asked if there were any new locations yet to be seen in ASOIAF. George mentioned that we had not yet seen Casterly Rock or Highgarden. YET. He specifically mentioned CR and said that the story would definitely go there. But both castles were mentioned as places he expected to write about.

I want to know what all of you think this means. Tell me of your theories regarding this. What will happen? Who? How?

Tysm

[The Holy Goat]

My guess is that either Jaime travels to Casterly Rock in an attempt to win support and make some change, or Cersei is forced to flee there when Aegon Targaryen lays siege to King's Landing.

Highgarden will probably be seen through the eyes of Samwell, after Euron Greyjoy has done something mayor, presumably to Oldtown. WIllas and Garlan Tyrell will probably be there, along with the Queen of Thorns, and aside from Euron there will be talk about Aegon Targaryen's friends in the Reach.

I could be very wrong though.

[finger]

Euron said he intended to grab the IT, not just do some sacking.

He's been goading the Tyrells so that they take their forces out of KL, but if he's to defeat them, he'll have to strike stronger. Invading Highgarden could be a good move.

On the other side, fAegon would find Kl less protected. Cersei 's position in KL is enfeebled after the walk. Instead of pursuing the trial by combat, she might flee to Casterly Rock. In fact, not only Cersei.

What makes a king? A throne? The capital? The Russians left Moscow to Napoleon before defeating them. Also, the Caesars left Rome to the Pope, and moved elsewhere.

The High Septon is becoming too annoying to both Margaery and Cersei. They might consider to move out of his reach, and let him deal with fAegon.

[Bironic]

CR could also be seen in the prologue.

[The Idle Raven]

CR could also be seen in the prologue.

I like this theory, as it ties in with others were Edmure Tully is rescued from Lannister captivity by the BwB or Blackfish. As an alternative, the PoV could also be provided by Cersei later on in the TWOW if she is forced to leave Kings Landing following her trial, or if Aegon threatens the city and the Lannister/Tyrell forces withdraw.

I agree that Sam is the most likely POV for Highgarden as he is already in the Reach.

[Brynden the Bastard]

If Euron takes Oldtown then he will probably be able to sail up the Mander and lay siege to Highgarden. But I don't think Euron is foolish enough to do that. He has the advantage at sea and can take the Arbor and Oldtown but we cannot forget the Garlan Tyrell took half of the Tyrell Army with him to seize Brightwater Keep ,therefore Euron would have to face Garlan Tyrell and his army if he attacked the mainland of the Reach.

Thats why I think he will try and wait for the Dragons, or he has something else planned.

[~No One~]

I think CR is a good possibility for the prologue, especially as we're going to be seeing Jayne Westerling. I wouldn't be surprised at a CR Maester POV. Although instead of the Maester being killed by the Blackfish or the BWB like many think, I think it'd be awesome if Jayne killed him herself as a means for escaping somehow.

Highgarden I'm less sure of. Sam springs to mind, as being closest. Just as likely JonCon is sent to entreat there with the Tyrells as Targ loyalists. Areo Hotah after he's done with his Darkstar nonsense? Who knows.

[Endymion I Targaryen]

I think he said ASOIAF not necessarily Winds of Winter.So, in Dream of Spring Jaime and/or Tyrion will head to CR and find Cersei.As for Highgarden I agree about Sam retreating there after Euron takes Oldtown.

[nickdt]

I think he said ASOIAF not necessarily Winds of Winter.So, in Dream of Spring Jaime and/or Tyrion will head to CR and find Cersei.As for Highgarden I agree about Sam retreating there after Euron takes Oldtown.

Then Tyrion is the most likely, since he is the Lord of CR.

[Rhaegar Targaryen's Ghost]

I've always thought that Highgarden would be a good prologue. Something along the lines of Highgarden getting attacked by Euron, or even Aegon.

[Endymion I Targaryen]

Then Tyrion is the most likely, since he is the Lord of CR.

Isn't Cersei Lady of CR?

[nickdt]

Isn't Cersei Lady of CR?

Can a woman inherit before a man. No! Tywin does have said Tyrion can't have it, but we don't know of he changed the law. Until we know that, Tyrion is the lord.

[The Holy Goat]

Can a woman inherit before a man. No! Tywin does have said Tyrion can't have it, but we don't know of he changed the law. Until we know that, Tyrion is the lord.

Tyrion is exiled and wanted for Kinslaying and Kingslaying. Hence it can be assumed that he has been stripped of all possible titles and honours. Cersei is the Lady of Casterly ROck. Daven the one in command of it's military. Tyrion doesn't have shit.

[SevasTra82]

Tyrion is exiled and wanted for Kinslaying and Kingslaying. Hence it can be assumed that he has been stripped of all possible titles and honours. Cersei is the Lady of Casterly ROck. Daven the one in command of it's military. Tyrion doesn't have shit.

Technically, Tyrion wasn't "exiled", he ran to Esso's in hiding. Exiled would mean he was formally banished from Westeros, ala Jorah for instance. He lost the trial by combat, yes, but a formal sentence (outside of death was it?) was never handed down (that I can recall? I'm a bit hazy on the details). There has been no indication that he has been stripped of anything as of yet. Cersei after all is more wrapped up in dealing with her own issues at the moment, she probably hasn't even given any thought into Casterly Rock. So unless something formal comes out, I do believe Tyrion is lord of Casterly Rock.

Keep in mind too, Tywins death, in book time-line, is still pretty fresh. I don't know how much time passes between the beganning of AFFC and the end of ADWD (since the both happen simultaniously, with a little bleed over time-wise), but I would venture to say (given the slow pacing of the two books), not much time. A few months maybe? Hardly enough time to sort out the politics of who officially holds Castlery Rock.

Perhaps we'll get more clarity in TWOW, especially with GRRM stating we'll see it in the future two books. He'll have to address it's lordship eventually.

[DarkSister1001]

I read a post from someone (can't remember their name to give proper credit) that was along the lines of Dany "giving" Tyrion CR for his allegiance but that he'd have to get in via the sewer system that he knew so well. I think I'd like to see that.

ETA: I think Highgarden will come to us via an Ironborn POV, just not sure which one or when.

[OmnomnomPomelo]

I'd be okay with this scenario:

JonConn, "Aegon" and the Golden Company are already in a war when Dany arrives. At this time Tyrion knows both of them ofc, and he wants to be on the winner's side, so he visits Casterly-Rock which is commanded by his cousin Daven Lannister at the moment, so they make a deal: Tyrion gives Casterly-Rock and Lordship to Daven and Daven gathers the whole Western army for Tyrion. So Tyrion becomes a real player in the Game of Thrones.

Also he meets the prisoned Edmure Tully there, frees him to lead the Riverlords, but not to support Edmure, to support Sansa!

So we see Casterly-Rock via Tyrion.

And for Highgarden? Maybe JonConn, after the Golden Company takes over the Reach.

[The King in The Mount]

I read a post from someone (can't remember their name to give proper credit) that was along the lines of Dany "giving" Tyrion CR for his allegiance but that he'd have to get in via the sewer system that he knew so well. I think I'd like to see that.

Just like the dwarf in The Mistery Knight. I can live with that

ETA: I think Highgarden will come to us via an Ironborn POV, just not sure which one or when.

It would be interesting to have 2 POVs of Highgarden.

Sam noticing all the nice architecture and Aerion being disgusted by the beauty of it.

[DarkSister1001]

It would be interesting to have 2 POVs of Highgarden.

Sam noticing all the nice architecture and Aerion being disgusted by the beauty of it.

Good call. I'd like those and yes, I agree he'd be disgusted by it. He's like the grumpy cat of the characters.

[Lord Cadwan]

I believe Casterly Rock will be seen through the eyes of tyrion when he takes it with the help of the second sons.

[Agravayne]

CR -- not really a good place to besiege, I'd imagine. Edmure and Jeyne are the only characters of note that could be there now that Ser Kevan is dead.

Oldtown -- Sam and Euron are there, so we have at least those POVs.

Highgarden -- Highgarden is on the Mander river, not Oldtown. But, since the Shields fell, it would be open to IB raiding by way of long ships. I seem to recall that Willis and Garlan had raised some men to try and take the Shields back. Euron moved on to Oldtown (and probably the Arbor). Unless Redwyne's fleet comes back (in tact) my guess is Euron will keep Willis and Garlan marching their men all over the place.