melx Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 after victory at Oxcross, King Rob raided the West...“The Young Wolf was paying the Lannisters back in kind for the devastation they’d inflicted on the riverlands.” (ACOK, Catelyn V)"Lords Karstark and Glover were raiding along the coast, Lady Mormont had captured thousands of cattle and was driving them back toward Riverrun, while the Greatjon had seized the gold mines at Castamere, Nunn’s Deep, and the Pendric Hills." (ACOK, Catelyn V)....Northmen got away with a lot of plunder,mainly gold (we all know now important gold is especially in war time) but after they returned to Riverlands there is no mention of these spoils of war. so where is the gold ?Frays & Bolton got it at RW and shared it 50/50?In Riverrun (hidden or not) ?sent to North ? shared among Lords (Brotherhood WB style)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serdog Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I would expect that Lord Frey is claim the greater part of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Frey & Bolton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Presumably it went back to the closest headquarters, namely Riverrun, which would have fallen in the hands of the Freys and Lannisters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimJames Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 It's buried somewhere in The North or The Riverlands. For the next several centuries treasure hunters will go looking for "Robb's Treasure" and come up empty handed. Once Westros reaches the industrial revolution and television, there will be 'documentaries' describing attempts to find Robb's Treasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSB Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 was the drying up of lannister gold mines show-only? if not, then seizing said mines would be fruitless. paying back in kind would involve burning, and in completely accurate terms murder, rape and torture. the cattle may have been incorporated into the livestock-less riverland populace, or rustled by red ron mcdonald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 paying back in kind would involve burning, and in completely accurate terms murder, rape and torture.Who made this statement again? Wasn't it Edmure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 after victory at Oxcross, King Rob raided the West...“The Young Wolf was paying the Lannisters back in kind for the devastation they’d inflicted on the riverlands.” (ACOK, Catelyn V)"Lords Karstark and Glover were raiding along the coast, Lady Mormont had captured thousands of cattle and was driving them back toward Riverrun, while the Greatjon had seized the gold mines at Castamere, Nunn’s Deep, and the Pendric Hills." (ACOK, Catelyn V)....Northmen got away with a lot of plunder,mainly gold (we all know now important gold is especially in war time) but after they returned to Riverlands there is no mention of these spoils of war. so where is the gold ? Presumably it would be back with the Westerland Lords after they retook the Riverlands, that is if they actually took it from the Westerlands. The singer who was telling the stories may have been guilty of exaggerating the Norths gains as Cat certainly thinks he was embellishing the part about Robb feeding Staffords heart to his direwolf. We are told that Lady Mormont stole thousands of cattle yet there is no sign of them when Robb Stark returns to Riverrun from the Westerlands or when the Westerlands and Riverlands soldiers hold Riverrun and the Blackfish under siege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediterraneo Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Well, in any case, it is debatable that seizing a mine automatically gives you gold. If the prepared metal is moved away from the mine, the quantities kept there are negligeable, and starting mining operations, in deep caves, without having miners, experts and technical capacities, using soldiers as miners... would not produce significant return for the effort, most probably.More probable is that they could cause a damage disproportionate to the time spent there. Burning wooden infrastructures, waterpipes used in the works, water and wind machines used in the works. Killing or dispersing the aforementioned miners and expert technicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwkdude Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 This seems like a case of GRRM just not explaining what happened to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 was the drying up of lannister gold mines show-only? Yes it is. And if they had been out of business in the books universe, after Robb's venture everyone would know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSB Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Who made this statement again? Wasn't it Edmure? op says catelyn. but 'devastation', paid back in kind, would be devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Pepsi_Cupps Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Presumably it went back to the closest headquarters, namely Riverrun, which would have fallen in the hands of the Freys and LannistersThe Blackfish held Riverrun for long enough after the RW to either hide any gold somewhere where the Freys won't find it, or to ship it down river bit by bit. So if there was a solid bit of loot at Riverrun (both stolen from the West and the Tully's own treasury) no way will the Blackfish have left it for the Frannisters.Who will Blackfish try to fund with this gold?Candidates:(1) Edmure: unlikely, he will be a prisoner at Casterly Rock and the Blackfish knows the guy is useless.(2) Jon: he was Robb's chosen heir. (3) Sansa: Cat's last surviving child, and Robb's most obvious heir.When Jaime mentions Jon to Blackfish, the response is very Cat-motivated ("You arranged for him to be the LC of the NW, Cat never trusted him, looks like she was right"). That suggests that Blackfish would try to seek out Sansa, not Jon. BUT he might also be trying to throw Jaime off by feigning disgust with Jon (if the plan is to crown Jon as per Robb's will, then it would be good to make sure the Lannisters don't see him as a threat).The interesting thing, plot-wise, is that Jon no longer NEEDS funding - he's secured a massive loan from the Iron Bank. On the other hand, if Sansa does ditch LF, she will be broke without his financial backing.The most logical development story-wise would be for Blackfish to back and fund a post-LF Sansa. This ties in with Lady Stoneheart holding Robb's crown when interrogating Brienne (who else is she going to crown but Sansa - especially as LS is like Cat with all her grudges amplified; she's not going to crown Jon).Every other "contender" will also either be a military commander or have a serious military commander on their side (Jon has Jon; Stannis has Stannis; fAegon has Griff; Dany has Barristan). To flip that around, the Blackfish is the last of the "living legends" (like Barristan) who hasn't yet been assigned to any camp after Robb's demise.So Team Sansa will have a need for backing, funds and military strategy, and Blackfish can provide all; and he'd be backing his favourite niece's last surviving child to boot (and fulfilling her last wish: for Jon Snow to NOT be her son's heir). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSB Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Yes it is. And if they had been out of business in the books universe, after Robb's venture everyone would know about it. not necessarily, there are as many reasons as one cares to imagine as to why the information would not be obtained by robb, and as many again to explain why, if knowing such, he did not disseminate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanis Buttershield Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 I think it would be very interesting to see if there is any development on this in later books, though I'm clueless to how it would be implemented. With all the chaos that is about to happen in these next books I just don't see any sort of hidden treasure holding any significance. That being said, I think it's safe to say that the most likely outcome was the most realistic--Freys and Boltons profited then got on with their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 not necessarily, there are as many reasons as one cares to imagine as to why the information would not be obtained by robb, and as many again to explain why, if knowing such, he did not disseminate it. How about Kevan? In ADWD he considers using Lannister money to pay the crowns debts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 It was probably in his baggage train when his army was massacred at the Twins. That is if he even acquired much in the way of gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSB Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 How about Kevan? In ADWD he considers using Lannister money to pay the crowns debts. i think he refers to the vaults, or if he does not, there may may be much gold mined previously, should the fact that the mines are defunct become part of the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 i think he refers to the vaults, or if he does not, there may may be much gold mined previously, should the fact that the mines are defunct become part of the books. And how about the miners? Are the Lannisters still paying them to do nothing? Has Tywin ripped all their tongues out so they cant gossip and spread this information? If the Lannisters mines have run dry why has Tywin given away the Castamere lands to the Spicers? Surely he would have drained Castamere a long time ago and began mining them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pox Americana Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Campaigns are expensive. I doubt there's a pile of gold lying about, it probably went into the pockets of his lords and quartermasters. ^I really got the impression the mines were purposefully left filled as a reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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