~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I really have to wonder why anyone in Westeros would want the Targs back in power. Honestly. Can you think of a worse government than one enforced by dragons? Dying by dragonfire has to be one of the worst ways to go. Now, I understand that if it turns out that the real reason the dragons are coming back is to stop the Others and the White Walkers or wights then they have a true purpose that will benefit all of mankind. However, it also occurs to me that once the Dragons came to Westeros, they died out. Why is that? Is it because there is something about Westeros that drains their strength? Does the Ice effect them? Something in the atmosphere? Did the Targaryens die out because their dragons did? The dragons lost their power first and then their rulers did. I do not think this is coincidental. I also think the Targs knew this and that's why they tried so hard to hatch dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Targaryen I Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I really have to wonder why anyone in Westeros would want the Targs back in power. Honestly. Can you think of a worse government than one enforced by dragons? Dying by dragonfire has to be one of the worst ways to go. Now, I understand that if it turns out that the real reason the dragons are coming back is to stop the Others and the White Walkers or wights then they have a true purpose that will benefit all of mankind. However, it also occurs to me that once the Dragons came to Westeros, they died out. Why is that? Is it because there is something about Westeros that drains their strength? Does the Ice effect them? Something in the atmosphere? Did the Targaryens die out because their dragons did? The dragons lost their power first and then their rulers did. I do not think this is coincidental. I also think the Targs knew this and that's why they tried so hard to hatch dragons. Not really, the Dance was a civil war caused out of inheritance and it wasn't the Targaryens who started it, it was the Hightower backed Targaryens born from Alicent that caused the Dance. Targaryens did something that Westeros never had it unified westeros just has the unification of italy in the 1860s and Germany's unification. Some actually attempted to care for the small folk like Aegon V and other Targaryens. In westeros there was constant fighting almost every time there was no peace, many Kings in the seven kingdoms tried but failed horribly, but they didn't expect Aegon the Conqueror to change the game who brought a new type of warfare in Westeros. See in Westeros the average skirmishes and wars had about 30,000 men or max 60,000 or 100,000. Targaryens were adapted to warfare in Esso war which was actually known has Total war. See medieval warfare to which was practiced in westeros was nothing compared to the warfare of ancient times where armies were centralized and trained. Joffrey makes a point about this and in Valyra they were powerful not because of Dragons and the Ghiscari where powerful also because there armies were centralized. War of Five Kings is devastating because its Westeros second attempt in Total War strategy and Dance of Dragons was before it. Targaryens not only brought Dragons but a new form of warfare that people are used to in Essos and thats total war. We can assume the Targaryens likely had a centralized army around Viserys I and Daeron I the Young Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Can I think of a worse government than the Targaryen's? Yes, the current one.And as far as Westeros affecting the dragons, no I don't think that's a thing. The Dance of Dragons cost them the majority of their dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Targaryen I Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Targaryens were likely losing power because yes there dragons were gone but also the military they had where no longer centralized and they kept giving power back to the Houses of the seven kingdoms. Targaryens still kept their power even after the Dragons left like Daeron I and Daeron II but it was largely likely due to their military being still centralized. There was still a standing royal army but that was destroyed during Robert's Rebellion on many in the royal army disbanded so King Robert likely had to recreate the army all over again. Joffrey made a point in that the crown should have a standing royal army. The Targaryens seem to have been very good a this which is not a surprise because they are from Essos a area that centralized there armies though yes essos does have mercenaires still but Targaryens seem to have understood from their ancestors when it came to armies and keeping them 1 army not pockets of armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Can I think of a worse government than the Targaryen's? Yes, the current one.And as far as Westeros affecting the dragons, no I don't think that's a thing. The Dance of Dragons cost them the majority of their dragons.I agree that the current government in Westeros is awful, I think we all agree it isn't going to last. I'm just saying I would not want death by dragon hanging over my village if I didn't comply with Mad King Targaryen's latest whim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Targaryen I Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Can I think of a worse government than the Targaryen's? Yes, the current one.And as far as Westeros affecting the dragons, no I don't think that's a thing. The Dance of Dragons cost them the majority of their dragons.Targaryens weren't all horrible rulers it was the bad apples like Aegon the Unworthy, Maegor the Cruel, Baelor the Blessed and Aerys II that had problematic rulership. The Targaryens did that was bad was bring a new type of warfare to westeros called Total War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Targaryens were likely losing power because yes there dragons were gone but also the military they had where no longer centralized and they kept giving power back to the Houses of the seven kingdoms. Targaryens still kept their power even after the Dragons left like Daeron I and Daeron II but it was largely likely due to their military being still centralized. There was still a standing royal army but that was destroyed during Robert's Rebellion on many in the royal army disbanded so King Robert likely had to recreate the army all over again. Joffrey made a point in that the crown should have a standing royal army. The Targaryens seem to have been very good a this which is not a surprise because they are from Essos a area that centralized there armies though yes essos does have mercenaires still but Targaryens seem to have understood from their ancestors when it came to armies and keeping them 1 army not pockets of armies. Do you really think Robert's rebellion would have prevailed had Rhaegar had even one dragon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Targaryens weren't all horrible rulers it was the bad apples like Aegon the Unworthy, Maegor the Cruel, Baelor the Blessed and Aerys II that had problematic rulership. The Targaryens did that was bad was bring a new type of warfare to westeros called Total War. After reading TWOIAF I wouldn't lump Baelor the Blessed in with those others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barristan-b Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 An interesting correlation is that when they finally stopped procreating with sister-wives, the kingdom became less "fiery" and peaceful. After the Dance, Aegon III inherited the throne from his brother and had kids with the Velaryans. Now if you follow the lines, even though some Kings still wed sister-wives (Baelor & Aegon IV), their lineage went like this from the end of the Dance: Aegon II --> Aegon III (Nephew) --> Daeron (Son but his mother was Velaryan) --> Baelor (Brother) --> Viserys (Uncle) --> Aegon IV (Brother) Now next ironically is Daeron II who was the first legit Targ/Targ King that succeeded a King/Father post-Dance. From him on, there wasn't much inbreeding and oddly enough, he was born when the "Last Dragon" died. The next couple that propped a king in that vein was actually Jaehaerys & Shaera; birthing the Mad King Aerys like 100 years later. The queens producing the Kings during most of the non-magic/dragon times were the likes of Blackwood, Dayne, Penrose, & Martell. 153-240 AL: no Targaryen blooded queens produced Kings through a Targ king Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acnologia Targaryen Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Well we also know now that the maesters had something to do with wiping out the dragons too. Still come on dragons were on westeros for over a century and there was peace despite that. The Targs died out because an idiot was in charge during roberts rebellion and the dance was caused because there was an idiot queen like cersei who thought she as being smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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