Ser Arthur Hightower Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 We see in the War of The Five Kings that many of the Valemen, primarily Bronze Yohn, are eager to fight the Lannisters, but are prevented from doing so by Lysa, who commands them to keep their swords in the Vale. However they are only motivated to fight in the first place by dislike for the Lannisters and respect for Ned, alongside the desire simply not to sit out of a major war. If an external figure who's authority none of the vale lords questioned had commanded the vale to march to war: IE Robert if the boar didn't kill him, would the lords have obeyed Robert or Lysa. Personally I think most of the valemen would have ignored Lysa and fought alongside Robert' being that Lysa was only ruling through marriage and the fact that the lords of the vale knew Robert and had fought besides him previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Robert v Robb isn't valid, because Robb had authority over Vale lords to summon them, while Robert, as their King, has. Also, Vale men aren't motivated solely by their dislike for Lannisters, actually the said dislike isn't that potent, but because Cat accused Tyrion of killing Jon Arryn and most of them believe that Lannisters did kill Jon Arryn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickReviveGuy Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 If Robert hadn't died the War of the Five Kings wouldn't have happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Most would have followed Robert, yes. He was fostered there, is the legitimate King, and was popular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 But who would they have fought if Robert hadn't died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthur Hightower Posted December 22, 2014 Author Share Posted December 22, 2014 But who would they have fought if Robert hadn't died? If Robert hadn't died the War of the Five Kings wouldn't have happened! The fighting had started before Robert had died, had Ned told him about the twincest he would have gone to war against Tywin (most likely). I wasn't specifying a scenario though, the question was would they come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickReviveGuy Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 The fighting had started before Robert had died, had Ned told him about the twincest he would have gone to war against Tywin (most likely). I wasn't specifying a scenario though, the question was would they come. Tywin sent groups into the Riverlands to make trouble since Catlyn's father ruled them. In your scenario though I see the Vale following Robert. They have a strong connection through Jon Arryn. The Lannisters would have been shamed etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Tywin sent groups into the Riverlands to make trouble since Catlyn's father ruled them. In your scenario though I see the Vale following Robert. They have a strong connection through Jon Arryn. The Lannisters would have been shamed etc. Tywin was rather slick about his actions. He had a recognizable figure like the Mountain lead his raiding parties under no banner to attack the Riverlands. When the Tullys rally to the Golden Tooth, the Lannisters then cited that as the first act of aggression and attacked since it was their territory. Then maintained plausible deniablity about the Mountain's actions. If Robert didn't die, and Robert rallied the whole realm against the Lannisters all Tywin would end up doing is saying he was defending himself against Tully aggression, and that he had nothing to do with Gregor and sell him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickReviveGuy Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Tywin was rather slick about his actions. He had a recognizable figure like the Mountain lead his raiding parties under no banner to attack the Riverlands. When the Tullys rally to the Golden Tooth, the Lannisters then cited that as the first act of aggression and attacked since it was their territory. Then maintained plausible deniablity about the Mountain's actions. If Robert didn't die, and Robert rallied the whole realm against the Lannisters all Tywin would end up doing is saying he was defending himself against Tully aggression, and that he had nothing to do with Gregor and sell him out. That's right I forgot the no banners :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I don't know. Robert's "son" commanded some Vale lords like Lysa and Royce to come to KL, and they still ignored that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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