Would Renly sit the IT by now if no Shadow baby?

[the storm king returns]

We know that Renly gathered a huge force of men and the combined might of the Stormlands and the Reach was to much for the Lannisters and obviously to much for Stannis, so IMO Renly takes KL and sits the IT at this point in the books, and might even have a baby with Margeary Baratheon ( with the help of Loras ). I have a few questions to what you all might think come next.

1) What does Renly do with Shireen Baratheon and Dragonstone, and the lords that sided with Stannis?

2) What does Renly do with the lannisters including all three of Cerseis bastards, does CR remain in Lannister hands ?

3) Would (F)Aegon attack the Stormlands still? Or is it à waist of time and his head ?

4) Can Renly defeat Danny and 3 medium sized dragons when she finally lands in Westeros? Does Danny see any kinship with Renly due to them being cousins

[Stannatic]

Pardons for the Lords that went with Stannis, and he'd probably make nuns out of Shireen and Marcey, and send Tommen to the wall.

[DavosBolton]

4) Can Renly defeat Danny and 3 medium sized dragons when she finally lands in Westeros? Does Danny see any kinship with Renly due to them being cousins

Nope. Renly cares too much about chivalry to beat Dany. Renly had excellent generals like Randyll Tarly who told him to NOT attack at dawn, with the sun in their eyes. But Renly rebuffed him.

So even with big numbers and great generals, Renly will fight in a predictable way and we might witness another Field of Fire.

[TallTyrion]

We know that Renly gathered a huge force of men and the combined might of the Stormlands and the Reach was to much for the Lannisters and obviously to much for Stannis, so IMO Renly takes KL and sits the IT at this point in the books, and might even have a baby with Margeary Baratheon ( with the help of Loras ). I have a few questions to what you all might think come next.

1) What does Renly do with Shireen Baratheon and Dragonstone, and the lords that sided with Stannis?

2) What does Renly do with the lannisters including all three of Cerseis bastards, does CR remain in Lannister hands ?

3) Would (F)Aegon attack the Stormlands still? Or is it à waist of time and his head ?

4) Can Renly defeat Danny and 3 medium sized dragons when she finally lands in Westeros? Does Danny see any kinship with Renly due to them being cousins

1) Probably marries her off to someone and pardons the Lords that fought for Stannis.

2) Joff and Tommen would probably be killed, Myrcella might live as a prisoner. I would trade Cersei to Tywin in exchange for fealty and hold Myrcella as a hostage against her. Lannisters keep the Rock no point in fighting a war over it.

3) With Renly secure on his Throne and no battle of the Blackwater, 10000 men cannot threaten Storm's End much less the rest of the kingdoms.

4) She would see no Kinship, they are cousins in the same way that thousands of families are in the Seven Kingdoms -- not considered family. If he can beat Danny depends on how formidable GRRM makes the dragons and what kind of support Renly can get, so who knows

[Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren]

He might get the throne but as to whether he lasts it's another thing. It's not as if the likes of Varys or Littlefinger (hell even the Lannisters) would stop their plotting.

It is telling that Robert died by a plot/assassination/, Robb the same with the Tywin/Bolton/Frey conspiracy, so did Tywin died by assassination regardless of victories in the battlefield or number of troops, Balon, Renly and Joffrey. And Kevan and Pycelle as well even with Varys losing his position in the council. So if it isn't shadowbaby it can be something else, like poison. (oh hey the way someone else in Jon Arryn was murdered)

King's Landing is poison really. Too many cunning, plotting backstabers have congregated around the game of thrones and the capital of its prize. They, as in Littlefinger or Varys don't have to act alone if they choose obviously, they might insert people who are in reality their agents or involve others in their plots. And Renly seems rather overconfident and not the most careful of king's not that being cautious makes your invulnerable to assassination.

[the storm king returns]

He might get the throne but but as to whether he lasts it's another thing. It's not as if the likes of Varys or Littlefinger (hell even the Lannisters) would stop their plotting.

It is telling that Robert died by a plot/assassination/, Robb the same with the Tywin/Bolton/Frey conspiracy, so did Tywin died by assassination regardless of victories in the battlefield or number of troops, Balon, Renly and Joffrey. And Kevan and Pycelle as well even with Varys losing his position in the council. So if it isn't shadowbaby it can be something else, like poison. (oh hey the way someone else in Jon Arryn was murdered)

King's Landing is poison really. Too many cunning, plotting backstabers have congregated around the game of thrones and the capital of its prize. They, as in Littlefinger or Varys don't have to act alone if they choose obviously, they might make use of agents or involve others in their plots. And Renly seems rather overconfident and not the most careful of king's not that being cautious makes your invulnerable to assassination.

I agree that KL is poison, but Renly is young if he dies it cant be blamed on old age and the realm would know someone killed him. Also if.Renly has a child with Margeary i knows Hes gay but that doesnt matter much Renly knows he needs an heir and Loras is close by for help. Also remember all Lannisters would be gone from court so would Pycell, Varys, LF and Mace would be hand Tarly master of justice, Rowan would take a position etc. Meaning everyone on Renlys small council would want him to suceed not die

[kimim]

1. Marry Shireen off to an ally. Forgive the few lords who sided with Stannis.

2. Kill Cersei, Joff, Tommen. Imprison Jaime and Myrcella as hostages against Tywin.

3. Without a civil war, Aegon would be screwed, so idk what he would need to do.

4. Renly would be horrible against Dany. He'd do the chivalrous thing when he needs to do the obvious, and pull a Dorne. Field of Fire all over again.

[Mithras]

Varys would kill him at one point.

[Floki of the Ironborn]

I feel like Renly would have ruined it for himself somehow. He seemed to act like a king without showing that many real capabilities for it.

Maybe his army would have broken up on the way to King's Landing, maybe he finds himself at the mercy of the Tyrells who put him in power, maybe Tywin has him murdered through quills and ravens to those who would backstab him, I don't know.

[RoamingRonin]

Varys would kill him at one point.

This is a good point. Renly would have been too much of a challenge for Aegon. I think Renly would be on the Iron Throne if not for Stannis but Varys would have undermined his reign somehow.

[Sullen]

We know that Renly gathered a huge force of men and the combined might of the Stormlands and the Reach was to much for the Lannisters and obviously to much for Stannis, so IMO Renly takes KL and sits the IT at this point in the books, and might even have a baby with Margeary Baratheon ( with the help of Loras ). I have a few questions to what you all might think come next.

1) What does Renly do with Shireen Baratheon and Dragonstone, and the lords that sided with Stannis?

2) What does Renly do with the lannisters including all three of Cerseis bastards, does CR remain in Lannister hands ?

3) Would (F)Aegon attack the Stormlands still? Or is it à waist of time and his head ?

4) Can Renly defeat Danny and 3 medium sized dragons when she finally lands in Westeros? Does Danny see any kinship with Renly due to them being cousins

1) He probably marries off Shireen, bestows Dragonstone on one of his loyal subjects, and he would have surely pardoned Stannis's men.

2) Cersei and Joff get executed for sure, Tommen is either sent to the Wall, or kept as a subject (though it would be a risky move), Myrcella is either married off, but not to a Dornishman, or forced to join the Silent Sisters.

3) Depends on how much control Illyrio and Varys have on Aegon... the Kingdoms wouldn't be as ripe considering Renly ties up the War of the Five Kings without much conflict, so I would think they'd either let Dany land first, or go through with the marriage plan first.

4) The dragons are too young to be truly a menace to a considerable army, if Renly was to go down against any or both of the Targaryen pretenders, it would have been through plotting and assassination, not direct conflict.

The most likely scenario would be that Renly gets shot by Varys the same way that Kevan was.

[TallTyrion]

Can you send anyone to the Wall regardless of age? Tommen is pretty much a baby at that point

[Sullen]

Can you send anyone to the Wall regardless of age? Tommen is pretty much a baby at that point

Mance Rayder was taken in as a baby from a Wildling mother, was he not?

[TallTyrion]

Mance Rayder was taken in as a baby from a Wildling mother, was he not?

Yeah he was, kind of a different situation though. IIRC the Nightswatch killed his family and it was either take him with you or leave him to die.

It just seems a bit strange sentencing someone who is a essentially a baby to serve on the Wall. Although we have seen a few examples of the NIghtswatch taking care of children so it's not unheard of.

[Ali Colak]

1: Dragonstone has traditionally belonged to the heir apparent. And whatever child Renley will have with marg would probably inherit the title of Prince of Dragonstone. Shireen –being a woman and not being the assertive type—will likely pose little danger to his rule. He could still choose to send her to the faith, but getting her safely married to some lord or other would profit him more.

2: Tywin, Jaime, Cersie and Jophrey’s fates depend mostly on the climate after they have been defeated. Tommen would be sent to the citadel or (more probably), the wall. Myrcella would be the same as Shireen, accept in this case, I actually have a suggestion as to whom she might marry, Wyllas. Double marriages between families to strengthen the ties between those families are not uncommon, look at the Targs and Martells. Cousin marriages are also not uncommon, and if Myrcella and Wyllas have a daughter, she might just become the next queen of the Seven Kingdoms.

3: Aegon’s strategy would have to change in more ways than one. Unless, that is, if Varys manages to take out Renley in time.

4: See the fourth reply.

[Red Wedding Cake]

I was rooting for Renly. I still haven't forgiven Mel and Stannis for the shadowbaby that killed him.

[Dorian Martell]

We know that Renly gathered a huge force of men and the combined might of the Stormlands and the Reach was to much for the Lannisters and obviously to much for Stannis, so IMO Renly takes KL and sits the IT at this point in the books, and might even have a baby with Margeary Baratheon ( with the help of Loras ). I have a few questions to what you all might think come next.

1) What does Renly do with Shireen Baratheon and Dragonstone, and the lords that sided with Stannis?

2) What does Renly do with the lannisters including all three of Cerseis bastards, does CR remain in Lannister hands ?

3) Would (F)Aegon attack the Stormlands still? Or is it à waist of time and his head ?

4) Can Renly defeat Danny and 3 medium sized dragons when she finally lands in Westeros? Does Danny see any kinship with Renly due to them being cousins

None of those questions matter in the slightest. I am positive that if renly had managed to avoid death by shadow baby the author would have come up with some other magical unstoppable death method to do the job right

[Skinner]

Varys would have given him the "Kevan" treatment.

[Batbob45]

he would be king but would ignore the Nightwatch plea for help. His selfess personality would cause him to be a more arrogrant Robert.

[the storm king returns]

Everyone keeps saying Varys would kill him off, but Renly would NOT keep Varys on the small council he never trusted him either