Crow's eye in the sky Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Littlefinger is now Lord Protector of the Vale, he can legally marshall the armies of the Vale, and the Riverlands (because he is recognized as lord paramount of the Trident.) As of the end of affc, he is also gathering hedge knights and other sellswords in possible anticipation of future events. What will littlefinger do next to gain more power within the space of the next book? For this thread, we must ... Assume that a mistake does not bite him in the ass before earning the support of [most] lords of the Vale, Assume that Cersei won her trial by combat and has regained much but not all of her previous influence. Assume that Stannis holds Winterfell. Assume that (f)Aegon holds the lower half of the Stormlands including Storm's End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I thank that he will at least try to form an alliance with Aegon or Dany. Lannister regime is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow's eye in the sky Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 I thank that he will at least try to form an alliance with Aegon or Dany. Lannister regime is done. My guess, is that Littlefinger will soon see the mark of the Spider, in Aegon. Would LF make an alliance with (f)Aegon knowing this? Dany and her dragons are a long way away, and will not reach Westeros until late in Winds at the most optimistic. The Lannister regime is officially headed by a young boy who is married to a Tyrell, with a mother who is an unmarried queen regent. Despite the precarious position it's in, I think that LF can do more by staying where he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 My guess, is that Littlefinger will soon see the mark of the Spider, in Aegon. Would LF make an alliance with (f)Aegon knowing this? Dany and her dragons are a long way away, and will not reach Westeros until late in Winds at the most optimistic. The Lannister regime is officially headed by a young boy who is married to a Tyrell, with a mother who is an unmarried queen regent. Despite the precarious position it's in, I think that LF can do more by staying where he is. It is certainly possible that LF will see Varys behind Aegon but we can't be sure. LF seems well informed about what is happening in Essos so he will know Dany is on move soon after she moves which I think will happen in year books time or so. For now he only knows that it is time to leave the sinking ship as soon as possible. As soon as Sansa is revealed both Tyrells and Cersei will know LF had betrayed them if the Tyrells don't know it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow's eye in the sky Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 It is certainly possible that LF will see Varys behind Aegon but we can't be sure. LF seems well informed about what is happening in Essos so he will know Dany is on move soon after she moves which I think will happen in year books time or so. For now he only knows that it is time to leave the sinking ship as soon as possible. As soon as Sansa is revealed both Tyrells and Cersei will know LF had betrayed them if the Tyrells don't know it already. How have the Tyrells been betrayed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 He will get as high as possible. But not as high as honour. And then, all the way down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworth'sShipmate Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 He will be the biggest playa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet199 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I think LF will capitalise on the Aegon invasion by betraying Cersei completely and getting the Tyrells to open the gates to him. LF will know that Aegon is Varys creature so will be looking for an opportunity to betray him. That opportunity will be Dany. She will land in the Vale and LF will bring the Tyrells, the Vale and the riverlands over to her side and Aegon and Dorne will go the same way as Quentyn. LF will then use his apparent loyalty to Dany to push Sansa's various claims. I think LF will become more and more powerful until very near the end of ADOS when Sansa will finally turn on him and have him killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 How have the Tyrells been betrayed? He told the Lannisters about their plan to marry Sansa to Willas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow's eye in the sky Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 He told the Lannisters about their plan to marry Sansa to Willas. First of all, how will the Tyrells know that? Secondly, they are already aware that Sansa was spirted away, as they helped incriminate her. He used Sansa's marriage to Tyrion to shift the blame on to someone more obvious to A. get her away, and B. get revenge on Tyrion for making a fool of him in acok. And besides the fact, he has delivered the Tyrells into a position of power in KL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 First of all, how will the Tyrells know that? Secondly, they are already aware that Sansa was spirted away, as they helped incriminate her. He used Sansa's marriage to Tyrion to shift the blame on to someone more obvious to A. get her away, and B. get revenge on Tyrion for making a fool of him in acok. And besides the fact, he has delivered the Tyrells into a position of power in KL. Someone may whisper it to them as soon as this alliance will become problematic for him. Someone like Varys. Yes Tyrells knew Sansa would be suspected but it does not seems to me that they are aware and OK with LittleLinger using her for her claim. Olenna seems as one of few people clever enough not to trust Littlefinger even if he helped them in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow's eye in the sky Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 Someone may whisper it to them as soon as this alliance will become problematic for him. Someone like Varys. Yes Tyrells knew Sansa would be suspected but it does not seems to me that they are aware and OK with LittleLinger using her for her claim. Olenna seems as one of few people clever enough not to trust Littlefinger even if he helped them in the past. Then the Question is, will LF use Sansa for her claim? I dunno about you, but plans to retake Winterfell in her name makes me a little leery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Then the Question is, will LF use Sansa for her claim? I dunno about you, but plans to retake Winterfell in her name makes me a little leary If not the North than at least Riverlands I really doubt he is keeping her only because of her looks. He wants the power over Houses which humiliated him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finger Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 He will receive an "awful slight" from the Freys. He'll ask for the help of Tyrells and Lannisters.He'll wipe out the Freys with the lords of Riverlands and Vale and use the plunder to reward them.He'll complain to Tyrells and Lannisters for not having helped him with the Freys, He'll even claim that they sided with the Freys. By then, Tyrells and Lannisters will struggle with Euron and fAegon, while disent swells among them. Maybe Dorne joins the ball and backs fAegon. I think the next move is showing up Sansa and taking care of Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finger Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 If not the North than at least Riverlands I really doubt he is keeping her only because of her looks. He wants the power over Houses which humiliated him too. He is the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. He only needs that the Lanisters kill their captives. Sansa is key to claim the North. I wonder why he betrothed her to the Heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 He is the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. Only as long as Lannisters rule, that is not all that promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow's eye in the sky Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 Only as long as Lannisters rule, that is not all that promising. Exactly, his power derives from the Lannister regime and if it falls before its "time," nobody will take his claim to the Riverlands seriously and he will only have the bannermen of the Vale to fall back on. Destroying the regime before LF has a few years to solidify his titles would be counter productive for him. On the other hand... he has succeeded where others in King's Landing have failed. He is on good terms with the Tyrells currently, and Cersei believes him to be a capable and not at all ambitous man. Considering the divisions in KL, he might even be offered an even greater position of power. Can you imagine the harm that would be done if LF, somehow became regent of the Lannister regime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbdx80 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I think one thing that is being forgotten in this speculation is the Greyjoy arc. Either Victarion or Euron will get a hold of a Dragon in TWOW. My guess is which either or them survives between the two will train and use the Dragon to capture King's Landing. Because of this turn of events, Littlefinger will lie low for a while and see whom to support. I think he'll feature more prominently into ADOS as my guess is he'll side with Dany when she lands - which my guess won't be until ADOS or ther very end of TWOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finger Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Only as long as Lannisters rule, that is not all that promising. Exactly, his power derives from the Lannister regime and if it falls before its "time," nobody will take his claim to the Riverlands seriously and he will only have the bannermen of the Vale to fall back on. Destroying the regime before LF has a few years to solidify his titles would be counter productive for him. On the other hand... he has succeeded where others in King's Landing have failed. He is on good terms with the Tyrells currently, and Cersei believes him to be a capable and not at all ambitous man. Considering the divisions in KL, he might even be offered an even greater position of power. Can you imagine the harm that would be done if LF, somehow became regent of the Lannister regime? You're right, he's been promoted by the Lannisters. So, he must build his own power while they still hold the IT. In the current situation, he's managed to be somewhat accepted by the lords of the Vale, but he has to offer something more if he wants to strenghten his stance. Nothing better that a war campaign where he can have the nominal command, even though he leaves the glory and the plunder to some others. Convenience is a good way to win fealty. His challenges are the Mountain Clans and the Freys. If he can succeed at this, he'll soon have the Vale and the Riverlands. I'm assuming that Freys and Boltons are heading to a sweeping defeat in Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonesomerider Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I think he will lie low for a while in the next book, waiting for the best chance to switch sides, as mentioned before he knows the Lannisters/Tyrells are a sinking ship. Meanwhile in my opinion, Littlefinger will continue to attempt to use Sansa as a trump card, seeking to put his puppet in an increasing position of power ( marriage to Vale heir). I'm still not convinced the Lords of the Vale will go along with his machinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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