Stannis th3 Mannis Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Really who has he beat of any note.. just gets his ass beat by mance..he says rob was better rob (who was terrified of Jamie) the half hand let him win.. and I don't feel like hearing any crying so we won't go into the show because he's even worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 ? Jon says he was better than Robb. Also, he beat the best warrior at the Shadow Tower. Honestly, if you want to say you dislike Jon, why not just say it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Also everyone was scared of Jaime he's the best fighter in the realm. So I'm not sure how that is a knock on Robb or Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hand to King Davos Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Jon did say he was better than Robb. I will agree the Halfhand probably let him win, but he is also good enough to fight his way out of the Thenns. He cut down a few there, if memory serves."He cut down the first manas he turned toward the wolf, shoved past a second, slashed at a third... A hand closed round his ankle, and he hacked down and saw Bodger's face dissolve in a welter of blood." So he cut sown at least two warriors there. He also beat Iron Emmett, who was considered one of the best warriors at Eastwatch. And Mance was no slouch himself, especially since Jon had just fought three boys himself and Mance was fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis th3 Mannis Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Maybe I'm mistaken on that point but I thought it was said rob was better than jon at everything.... I do t dislike jon I wish he was better he's got a awsome e sword I wish he was up there with jamie and oberyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Brandon Badwater Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 You come on here disrespecting Jon Snow! Moderators move this thread to the heresy page :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis th3 Mannis Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I guess everyone is choosing to ignore mance making a joke of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bronn Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It was said in the tv series.If i remember well ,Robb was better with lance ,Jon was better with sword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis th3 Mannis Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 My mistake but seeing how u brought up the show (lol) the dude at casters with the knives was gonna kill jon is the girl didn't intervene.. the the show peopeoe don't respect his skill much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I guess everyone is choosing to ignore mance making a joke of him Mance is a badass and probably a better fighter than most men south of the wall. How do you think he won the respect of all the Wildlings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hand to King Davos Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The quote where Jon says he was a better sword than Robb came in aGoT, when he was talking to Benjen at the feast in Winterfell. Don't have the book with me, or I would give the actual quote.That being said, when people list Jon as one of the best swordsmen in the realm, I get confused. I am sure he is good, and he should get better with time, but he is not a prodigy like Jaime was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis th3 Mannis Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 That's all I'm saying..he is average right now and beats up on alot of less than average guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Maybe I'm mistaken on that point but I thought it was said rob was better than jon at everything.... I do t dislike jon I wish he was better he's got a awsome e sword I wish he was up there with jamie and oberyn That was in the show; not the books. In the books Jon says "I'm better with a sword than Robb". Jon has also: 1. Fought a wight 2. Fought the Wildlings (killing the sentry Orell, fighting his way out of the Thenns, fighting them at Castle Black) 3. Fought everyone at Castle Black 4. Trained others at swordplay since he arrived 5. Fought anyone who would challenge him 6. Stood his ground against Mance Jon takes his training very seriously, and puts a lot of effort into it: Grenn agreed. “His duties don’t keep him from the yard. More days than not, he’s out there fighting someone.” That was true, Sam had to admit. Once, when Jon came to consult with Maester Aemon, Sam had asked him why he spent so much time at swordplay. “The Old Bear never trained much when he was Lord Commander,” he had pointed out. In answer, Jon had pressed Longclaw into Sam’s hand. He let him feel the lightness, the balance, had him turn the blade so that ripples gleamed in the smoke-dark metal. “Valyrian steel,” he said, “spell-forged and razor-sharp, nigh on indestructible. A swordsman should be as good as his sword, Sam. Longclaw is Valyrian steel, but I’m not. The Halfhand could have killed me as easy as you swat a bug.” Jon is a talented swordsman, even if he isn't the best in the story. He will likely never reach the same status as a fight as Selmy, Jaime or Arthur Dayne...but he was above 'average' when he arrived at Castle Black. And he's only improved since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Mance is a badass and probably a better fighter than most men south of the wall. How do you think he won the respect of all the Wildlings? Yeah, Jon had to beat the best fights of most of the villages to become KBtW. And Jon didn't beat him...but he didn't fare badly against him, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Jon is average for a noble man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowborn Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Has anyone claimed that he is a great swordsman? Do people generally do that? He is a capable fighter with a sword, possibly good but probably not great. GRRM writes realistically enough that all prominent "warrior type" male characters don't have to be exceptional fighters. GRRM has specifically said in a SSM that Eddard was not a great swordsman, he was average. I think Jon is good enough, but he is a leader first and a fighter second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis th3 Mannis Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Jon is average for a noble man.Finally someone else who knows what's up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hand to King Davos Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Some people do claim that Jon is spectacular. I have seen him suggested for the Kingsguard before, very seriously. I think he is above average, even for a nobleman, and he will get better with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Jon is average for a noble man. I disagree. But this is a useless argument because he's not in a position to fight other noblemen for comparison, so people will keep bringing up comparisons with noblemen...and the only other noble outside of the Night's Watch that we can compare him to is Robb, since he says "I'm a better sword than Robb". But a man who can fight and beat almost everyone of note in the NW is above average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis th3 Mannis Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I e seen people list him over Prince Oberyn. .???? What really??? I think the big O could take Jamie In his prime but these jon lovers are to much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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