rozemarijn Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 A 2002 synopsis for a Feast For Crows:Continuing the most ambitious and imaginative epic fantasy since The Lord of the Rings The action in Book Four of A Song of Ice and Fire begins the day after the end of A STORM OF SWORDS. While the remaining northern lords war endlessly with each other and the ironmen of the isles attack the Dreadfort, Sansa becomes a skilled player in the game of thrones with Littlefinger as her mentor, Arya a skilled assassin, and Bran a magician and shapeshifter of great power. All seek to gain revenge for the death of their parents and Robb Stark, whose head was cut off and replaced with the head of his direwolf. Valar morghulis. All men must die, and wolves, too. Danerys trains her growing dragons and learns from Barristan the secrets of her father, her brother Rhaegar, and other matters that will culminate at Starfell. And Jon Snow is the nine-hundredth-and-ninety-eighth lord commander of the Night's Watch. The Wall is his. The night is dark, and he has King Stannis to face. The cold wind is rising, and still there are inhuman powers gathering in the north. "Dany is about to learn the secrets of her father, her brother and all culminates at Starfall? What on earth is going on here?Does Barristan knows more as he has let us on? Is Ashara about to turn up? What has Starfall to do with all of this? Lies the answer there?Possible secrets:-A+J= T-R+L= J -the prophecy-explaining the true (mad) nature about her father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienarea Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Dawn is at Starfall.And since each dawn brings the light of day Dawn has to be Lightbringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finger Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Some of us are studying the possibility that Jon wasn't born in ToJ, but somewhere else in Dorne. Dayne was in the party, Starfall is Dayne's home,.. Jon Snow might have been born in Starfall, then Lyana died there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starwalker Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Darkstar is at Starfall. I think he is going to do something pretty major. Maybe he is the third targaryen dragon rider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rozemarijn Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 Dawn is at Starfall.And since each dawn brings the light of day Dawn has to be Lightbringer.Well if you combine this with secrets from Dany's family? Jon was at Starfall, Dany will have something to do with it. While Dawn is there? And who is the sword of the morning at this point?I do not think Jon was born at the tower of Joy, but I believe the Daynes are in the secret. Question is, who is?-Ashara Dayne, who has supposedly killed herself after the death of her brother and bastard child. Who was really the father of her child? Maybe the child of her and Eddard died and he passed his sisters son as that child? Is she truly death? Is she Quaithe? Lemore? Barristan loves her, might this come up?-Darkstar, considered the most dangerous man in Dorne, tried to kill Myrcella, why? To bring Jon closer to the throne? To avenge Oberyn who hated him? To get Dorne in a war? He is discribed as 'bitter' what for? We do know one of our POV's is out to kill him. -Edric Dayne, who has a very high opinion about Eddard Stark and believes he was in love with Ashara. Quite eager to talk about his 'milk brother' Jon.-Wylla, wet nurse of Edric and Jon, is taken by Eddard to Winterfell. Where is she now? Might she be Ashara (who had milk from her pregnancy) who came with Eddard? Why? -Arthur, Rhaegar's truest and dearest friend. 'If not for Howland Reed' he would have slain Eddard. Did Howland distract him, by fighting or something else? How much did Rhaegar tell his best friend? -Allyria, bethroted to Beric Dondarrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHouseHB Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Rhaella + Arthur = Daenerys OMG! :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind Beth the Cat Lady Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I'm curious where this synopsis came from? Is it on the back of the book? I'm not at home to check my copy. Ever since being converted by the Lemonatti, I've wondered if the Daynes helped Ser Willem hide Dany and Viserys somewhere in Dorne, at least temporarily. Someone trying to hide Rhaegar's brother and sister might logically turn to the family of Rhaegar's closest friend. Perhaps the house with the red door and lemon tree is at or near Starfall. Or, as some have suggested, perhaps the lemon tree is connected to early Dornish memories that Dany has mixed up with the house with the red door that was actually in Braavos. Either way, the sentence in the OP does seem to further support a Dornish connection for Dany. And it's likely that one or more member of the Dayne household knows the truth about Jon, as well--almost certainly Wylla, since it seems likely she was one of the "they" at the Tower of Joy, perhaps the midwife for Jon's birth as well as his wetnurse. Perhaps others, as well. (I'm pretty sure Wylla remained at Starfall when Ned returned to Winterfell with Jon.) I very much wonder if the pursuit of Darkstar will uncover some truths about Jon and/or Dany's early childhood. And of course the incredibly unique and suspiciously titled sword Dawn is at Starfall as well; it might well be Lightbringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Archibald Haddock Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hi all, first post on this great forum ... Blind Beth, I did a bit of searching and it seems this was a synopsis that appeared on Amazon in 2002. GRRM went as far as saying on his blog that he had nothing to do with these blurbs. I also wouldn't put a lot of faith in it as it was written well before AFFC came out but still talks about 'Danerys' and other characters that wouldn't appear again until ADWD. The spelling mistakes give it away, as well as the general impression that it's been badly translated from another language. http://grrm.livejournal.com/330542.html?thread=18064430#t18064430 As to your point about the Dayne household being in possession of knowledge regarding Jon, you'd have to think that was a certainty. Whether Lyanna Stark was birthing or dying from some unspecified illness, it seems inconceivable that she was alone with her 3 KG protectors/captors at the ToJ. Arthur Dayne, the White Bull and Ser Oswell were pretty handy at the martial arts but probably not so skilled at midwifery or the healing arts. There would have to have been a number of servants there, and as Starfall wasn't far away you'd have to think that's where the assistance came from. Given that it's a bloody long way from Dorne to Winterfell you'd have to also think that Ned and Howland stopped at Starfall for a period until the child could travel and they could organise assistance for the journey home. Howland Reed must know the truth of what happened but it seems clear that there would be others as well, and most likely at Starfall. Young Edric Dayne's knowledge of Wylla proves she is real and not some name that Ned invented to account for Jon, and if she's still alive she'd be a good candidate for an explanation of what happened at the mysterious Tower of Joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind Beth the Cat Lady Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 As to your point about the Dayne household being in possession of knowledge regarding Jon, you'd have to think that was a certainty. Whether Lyanna Stark was birthing or dying from some unspecified illness, it seems inconceivable that she was alone with her 3 KG protectors/captors at the ToJ. Arthur Dayne, the White Bull and Ser Oswell were pretty handy at the martial arts but probably not so skilled at midwifery or the healing arts. There would have to have been a number of servants there, and as Starfall wasn't far away you'd have to think that's where the assistance came from. Given that it's a bloody long way from Dorne to Winterfell you'd have to also think that Ned and Howland stopped at Starfall for a period until the child could travel and they could organise assistance for the journey home. Howland Reed must know the truth of what happened but it seems clear that there would be others as well, and most likely at Starfall. Young Edric Dayne's knowledge of Wylla proves she is real and not some name that Ned invented to account for Jon, and if she's still alive she'd be a good candidate for an explanation of what happened at the mysterious Tower of Joy. :agree: And thanks for tracking down the source; disappointing, but surely *something* will happen at Starfall after all this buildup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Stark Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I really like the idea of us finding out more of the truth about Jon and R+L=J through the Darkstar hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rozemarijn Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 :agree: And thanks for tracking down the source; disappointing, but surely *something* will happen at Starfall after all this buildup.Idd. Thanks for that. I'm a bit disappointed it isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice dragon at winterfell Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Because Dany finds out the truth about her parents. Her mother Ashara Dayne / now Quaithe and her crazy father the mad King. The mad Kind took liberties with Ashara while she was a hand maiden to Elia and in Kinds landing. This is who dishonored her and she was abruptly sent away just like the lovers the mad king took of his wife's ladies in waiting. Ashara did not have a still born daughter but a live one. Look at the descriptions of Quaithe/ Ashara and compare to Dany.. Also Barristan notes that when he is talking to Dany he feels he is talking with Ashara as that is who she reminds him of. Aerrys wife had a horrible time trying to conceive any children. Quaithe shows up to help Dany to warn and guide her. I have been unable to if she has any other ulterior motive but it truly seems to be to help her. I can't think of any other reason for Dany to go to Starfell unless it was important to who she is. It doesn't make ton of sense for her to go to find out info about Jon a person she doesn't even really knows or that he even exists. There are more clues in the text I will track down and add to the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weirwoods Eyes Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Well given that I think darkstar was at the ToJ as a squire, I'm inclined to think that house Dayne are indeed very wrapped up in the whole mystery and know a lot about what went one between Rhaegar & Lyanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigUpHerBones Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Well given that I think darkstar was at the ToJ as a squire that would give us another account of what happened there, pretty sure it is set in stone it was Ned +5 vs Hightower +2 with only Ned and Howland Reed surviving...if Darkstar was running around like Edric Dayne during that battle, we would have known, i think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weirwoods Eyes Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Would we? All we have of the ToJ is the snippets GRRM chose to give us through Ned's fever dream, a dream in which he recollects they found him holding Lyanna's dead body, and the facts that Ned +5 went, fought the 3 KG and all but Ned & Howland died, Ned returned Dawn, and bought Dustins horse home along with Lyanna's bones. We also know that Wylla a Dayne employee became Jon's wet nurse. In Neds dream we get some of the dialogue spoken between him & the KG, we find out Lyanna was dying in her bed of blood (aka childbed) and that she was clutching dead roses. We know from Ned that they pulled down the tower and built cairns for the dead, and that if not for Howland Arthur Dayne would have killed him. Non of this precludes the presence of a Squire. And I happen to think that in the short dialogue he gave us in that Arianne chapter there are hints that he may have been there. Plus he was teh right age, and a member of a family who are heavily associated with the Toj mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon I Blackfyre Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Rhaella + Arthur = Daenerys OMG! :devil: Bitch please! Rhaella + Bonifer = Daenerys : | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagewich Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Okay. But why did Darkstar try to kill Mycella? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHouseHB Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I really like the idea of us finding out more of the truth about Jon and R+L=J through the Darkstar hunt. Agree the Darkstar hunt is one of the upcoming events in Winds that I am really looking forward to. I also am one of the believers that Darkstar was a squire at the TOJ for Arthur and Ned let him live because Ned does not believe in the killing of children. Would be hilarious if we found out about R+L = J through an Areo Hotah pov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoththeRaven Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 If a part of Dany's storyline culminates at Starfall then we have to figure out why she would be there to begin with.If this is really happening, personally doubt we'd see this in Winds, at least not til the end.One way this could work is if she is going to meet Aegon there in battle. Dorne being the big player here, they could initially join Aegon as we potentially see Arianne planning to do, the they either realise he is fake or rebel for other reasons, and so throw their support behind a returning Dany. Aegon doesn't like this rebellion, Dany is not in alliance with him for whatever reason, so he wants to quash this rebellion with whatever Allies he has (Golden Company, Stormlands, Highgarden or Kings Landing etc) and the location for this would be somewhere in Dorne, which Starfall is a lot closer to the rest of Westeros than Sunspear for example.There they fight, or we get a dragon battle, or something important is revealed, be that lineage, prophecy or Lightbringer.To be honest I can't see it happening because there's far too much speculation and unknowns, but it's the only way I can see to explain her going to Starfall. I mean, she has to land/"be" somewhere right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet199 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Barristan is the one telling Dany about her family in the next book. He loved Ashara therefore his recounting of Aerys' madness and the rebellion will end with Ashara's death at Starfall, rather than say with Robert being crowned. Dany doesn't have to have anything to do with Starfall or go their. Barristan's musings on the Harrenhal tourney and the Targs in ADWD is a taster for the kind of thing he will reveal in the next book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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