Wavey Sauce Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Well was never a fan of it to begin with, and I know a lot of people really hated it. But after watching the final episodes again, I have no clue how in the hell they left the clear plot hole in there, where they had just met Hot Pie not too long ago, and Brienne had that dire wolf piece of bread. Yet she never shows it to Arya nor does she or Pod bring up anything about running into Hot Pie. I mean once they saw they had to convince her to go with them, how in the hell would neither of them think of that? Why even have the Hot Pie scene? Just for them to learn that she is with the hound? But yea showing the bread or fighting Sandor......genius writing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkdude103 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 what if they ate it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer 24 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 A lot of book readers I've talked to loved that scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stag Lord Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Go on then, Wavey of fucking Sauce. Tell me that's not a great fight scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I thought it was one change that was worth doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADanceWithCats Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I love how, right after the airing, there were a lot of 'B...but Brienne, being a WOMAN, w...wouldn't beat the HOUND!' type of comments on the Internet about this scene. It warms my stone-cold heart, to see assholes like this being frustrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I liked the scene, but in context, was a bit forced. "Oh, we have this big guy, make him fight with the big girl!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADanceWithCats Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I disagree. Show Brienne and show Hound are just very physical people. Which is kind of cool, you can't have everyone being a schemer. Also, I think this was the best fight scene in the show so far. Just the grunting and groaning from Gwendoline Christie... Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeParking Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well was never a fan of it to begin with, and I know a lot of people really hated it. But after watching the final episodes again, I have no clue how in the hell they left the clear plot hole in there, where they had just met Hot Pie not too long ago, and Brienne had that dire wolf piece of bread. Yet she never shows it to Arya nor does she or Pod bring up anything about running into Hot Pie. I mean once they saw they had to convince her to go with them, how in the hell would neither of them think of that? Why even have the Hot Pie scene? Just for them to learn that she is with the hound? But yea showing the bread or fighting Sandor......genius writing Showing Arya the bread, if they still had it (we don't know how much time passed), wouldn't have changed anything. The bread proves what exactly? That they ran into Hot Pie and that he trusted them. Okay, but why would this convince Arya to go with Brienne? Hot Pie is the knights have armor guy and the Winterhell guy. Hell, in the very first scene between Arya and Hot Pie she calls him on his bullshit. Hot Pie has never been presented as a person with sound judgement. Whereas Arya has learned to be suspicious of people. She knows the Hound, but she doesn't know Brienne. Brienne has a Lannister sword, is not a Northerner, says she couldn't protect her dead mother because she was ordered to take Jaime back to King's Landing (which wouldn't make any sense to Arya), and the Hound calls her out on not actually having an idea on what to do with her (no more than she does in the books). Why, exactly, would the bread have changed anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon rhaegar stark Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 ^^this ..i agree with what Freeparking said... I will also add this ...Arya may suspect that it was not the bread made by Hot Pie because she knows he couldn't do a perfect wolf last time....why she should believe suddenly he got better at it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornishwoman's Husband Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The one thing I would change in that scene is that Hound almost kills Brienne, and then Podrik saves her by throwing a rock at Hound's head. While the Hound is stunned, Brienne pushes him from the cliff. In the Feast for Crows, Podrik throws a rock at Shagwell the Fool, and then Brienne kills Tymeon while the Shagwell is stunned. In that episode, Brienne should have explained to Arya that Oathkeeper was forged from the Ice. But, I doubt neighter that will convince Arya to go with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I was annoyed by the Hound telling Arya to go with Brienne after the fight. Showing Arya the bread, if they still had it (we don't know how much time passed), wouldn't have changed anything. The bread proves what exactly? That they ran into Hot Pie and that he trusted them. Okay, but why would this convince Arya to go with Brienne? Hot Pie is the knights have armor guy and the Winterhell guy. Hell, in the very first scene between Arya and Hot Pie she calls him on his bullshit. Hot Pie has never been presented as a person with sound judgement. Whereas Arya has learned to be suspicious of people. She knows the Hound, but she doesn't know Brienne. Brienne has a Lannister sword, is not a Northerner, says she couldn't protect her dead mother because she was ordered to take Jaime back to King's Landing (which wouldn't make any sense to Arya), and the Hound calls her out on not actually having an idea on what to do with her (no more than she does in the books). Why, exactly, would the bread have changed anything?This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faceless She-wolf Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 But after watching the final episodes again, I have no clue how in the hell they left the clear plot hole in there, where they had just met Hot Pie not too long ago, and Brienne had that dire wolf piece of bread. Yet she never shows it to Arya nor does she or Pod bring up anything about running into Hot Pie. I mean once they saw they had to convince her to go with them, how in the hell would neither of them think of that? Why even have the Hot Pie scene? Just for them to learn that she is with the hound? But yea showing the bread or fighting Sandor......genius writing It's a cool scene to watch, yet I agree, this would be the most obvious way to convince Arya to come with them and it's ridiculous that they didn't mention it. Really good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon The 1st Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 This was a merging of scenes IMHO. I loved it bc it showed Brienne in a similar fight scene as with the 3 guys ( which is why Pod semi saves her )but gave the audience a thrill seeing them fight. It also drove us all nuts bc we knew Arya should go with HER. Could she really tho?? Of course not! I loved the matchup tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 The scene was shit for a boatload of reasons, but that's a funny one the OP singled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhaenys666 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I was pissed about the scene not because a woman took out the hound, but that it was just one person. In the book THREE people have to fight sandor in order to inflict a wound. He kills everyone with arya's help. He leaves the inn and goes into a hysterical fever dying end game situation DAYS after. That's my issue, not brienne's gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piotes Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Their horses ran away, with the cake on them probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer 24 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 One of the best television scenes I've ever seen and i watch a lot of shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Madam Mim Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I was pissed about the scene not because a woman took out the hound, but that it was just one person. In the book THREE people have to fight sandor in order to inflict a wound. He kills everyone with arya's help. He leaves the inn and goes into a hysterical fever dying end game situation DAYS after. That's my issue, not brienne's gender. Sandor is also piss drunk in the book whilst fighting off 3 men. The actual fight itself was kick-ass and Brienne could definitely hold her own but it griped me that it just made no sense and was completely contrived. The OP made a great point about the bread but instead it gets all pistols at dawn and grrrrrr my sword is bigger than your...lady sword. I know the Hound is a rough and uncouth sort of fellow on the outside but he does have his own moral code and I'm not sure attacking a lady fits his MO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon in the North Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 There was nothing wrong about that scene. In fact, it was one of my favorite deviations and has made Brienne's arc in the show already a lot more interesting than in AFFC, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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