Ultraseamus Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 There's no way his story line has ended, because the mystery of his parents would end with it. And that's one of the best mystery's in the whole story. If he dies, or stays in Ghost, or commits the sin of warging another human (which I doubt he is skilled enough to do anyways), the mystery of who his parents are becomes pointless. Given that, I think that, no matter how he recovers from the stabbing, he will no longer be a brother of the night's watch. If nothing else, I'm sure he will be technically dead at some point shortly after the end of his last chapter (where we seemed to be in the process of warging). And death is the official end of his obligation; according to the oath. Also, he pretty much had to either die, or abandon the wall at some point; because the wall has to fall, but it never would so long as brothers of the night's watch are manning it. So, I'm betting that he is just a chapter or so away from no longer being bound by his oath tot eh Night's Watch. What will he do when that happens? He could join the wildings as their new leader (though there's a decent chance that his downfall will lead to them revolting, which could be how the wall falls). He could go take his rightful (by Rob's order) place as the heir of Winterfell. He could join Mel and Stannis (but their cause is doomed given that she has misinterpreted the prophecy). He could go meet up with Sam, or even end up trying to find Bran or Rickon. Lots of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Fernandes Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Do you truly think that the rest of the realm will believe that he died and then came back to life? To them he will just be another deserter of the NW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultraseamus Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 Do you truly think that the rest of the realm will believe that he died and then came back to life? To them he will just be another deserter of the NW I suppose so. But Rob already released him from his oath; Stannis tried to do the same (and probably still would follow through). There are plenty of ways lined up for him to get out of the Night's Watch honorably; both in the eyes of Gods and men. Also, we know the wall has to fall at some point, and it is made clear that that will not happen so long as brothers are defending it. So, he either has to die, abandon his oath, be released form his oath (in a way he is aware of, and accepts), or leave the wall (which would also be him abandoning his oath). Anyways, I think it is more important that he sees himself as released form the oath, otherwise he would spend the rest of the series wallowing in self-loath. Just as important is that the Gods see him as released from his oath. From the way this story has evolved, I think it is safe to say that anyone who breaks a sacred law/oath is doomed. Everyone in the South agreeing is much less important; and they'll be against him anyways. He may not become King of the Seven kingdoms, but there is no reason (and I doubt there is any expectation from readers) that Jon's story fizzles out after the wall falls. Yet the night's Watch has to be defeated to get to that point. I doubt he spends the rest of the series leading some fraction of the Watch that happened to be away from the wall at the time it fell. Even though they were teasing that possibility right before he was stabbed. He has to out-live the wall, and he has to maintain his honor. Otherwise his parentage is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satin fetch me a cock! Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Bleed out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great and Mighty Poo Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I won't go in depth here because i'm on lunch break but if he gets out of the NW it won't be honorably. However, that probably wouldn't stop him from doing (insert your hope for him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Flow Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Rigor Mortis for 12 hours... then that begins to dissipate. Then he's gonna settle in for the slow process of Dessication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultraseamus Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 I won't go in depth here because i'm on lunch break but if he gets out of the NW it won't be honorably. However, that probably wouldn't stop him from doing (insert your hope for him). I still that he will get out of the NW with honor. I mean, the possible outs are just stacking up one after the other. His last chapter ended with him outside of his body, Rob's last order as King in the North released him from his oath, Stannis (who is actually the rightful heir to Robert) continues to want to free him from his oath. Hell, Bran is on his way towards becoming a God, and the old Gods are the ones he swore the oath too in the first place. I could certainly be wrong here, but I feel like the deck is being stacked so that he can continue after the NW without shame. Who knows, maybe he'll just go the path of Mance, or be resurrected by the God of Light and abandon the old gods. But if either of those happen, then I'll be reading the next book expecting some pretty terrible things to happen to him. Rigor Mortis for 12 hours... then that begins to dissipate. Then he's gonna settle in for the slow process of Dessication. Lol, there is just no way he dies or spends the rest of the series in Ghost's body. That would ruin the point of figuring out who his parents are. Who would care if he turned out to be royalty, born in the south surrounded by fire, raised in the North surrounded by ice; none of that would mean anything at all if he is dead and gone by the time the reveal comes. Not to mention all of the other loose ends his death would create. Personally, I expect Mel to save him in some way. Potentially killing herself in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taemlyn Blackfyre Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Jon Farseer, I mean Snow, has a wolf that he telepathically communicates with. Sort of. But now that Fitz, I mean Jon, is mostly dead we don't know WFT is going to happen to him. It will not, and I really have to use this non-defining and otherwise useless clause to emphasise the impossibility, result in a FitzChivalry style rebirth into Ghost's body. In spite of lawsuits and GRRM losing all credibility amongst his fellow authors, it quite simply doesn't make any sense. Will he lay dying for a long time and majestically arise from his wounds? Yes. If R + L = J, then he has two family precedents of the Shakespearean death unto seeming death but not death in Maegor the Cruel and Baelor the Blessed Fool, who each spent close to a month of their kingly reigns comatose and like to die. So, as to the OP's gambit, I do not think anybody at the Wall gives a flying kite about anything but getting the hell out of dodge before the Others come and create a shitstorm. If this leads to Jon having any authority, nobody left in the the Night's Watch will give a toss about his next choices. The real endgame is in Winterfell and Jon has already given away control of that situation time and again. I think it is safe to assume that the Blackfish and Bloodraven are the fellows to come to Jon's rescue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mother of Crows Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 He'll go and find Benjen. Just like he promised to Tyrion when they last spoke at the wall.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienarea Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I don't know what he will do next but he won't wear plaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzy_gsxr1000 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I don't believe either that he dies. If the R+L=J thing comes into play well...LOL I'm routing for him. I am loosing control waiting for these books but I suppose I can hold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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