Timett Son of Timett Jr. Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm brand new to this site, so forgive me if this has been asked before. In a saga with so many characters whose values may vary at any moment, who might be considered most villainous? Conversely, who is the most pure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Probably better for the "general" section, even though the worldbook has its share of villainous folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbulas B. Harding Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Although this should be in 'general' I do want to weigh in and say that while I believe this series is a overarching and profound statement in moral-relativism and ultimately a deconstruction and refutation of the "good vs. evil" dichotomy I do believe- that there are some string-pulling masterminds to be revealed (not necessarily 'villains' but perhaps with agendas that have lead them to orchestrate this conflict for reasons they believe justified)- Benjen Stark is trouble- Tyrion has been going down an ever darker path and I believe he might ultimately turn out to be Martin's Walter White- The "ultimate threats" seem to be the opposing extremes of a frozen, all enveloping darkness and a blazing, all consuming flame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginald blackfield Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Most villainous: Littlefinger, Roose BoltonMost pure: Barristan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Storm Reborn Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 In asoiaf, and according to what grrm says, the closest we can get to the ultimate villain is the "human heart in conflict with itself"...Basically there´s no ultimate villain, there´s good people, bad people and the ones who can be both, the result of their interactions is what creates heroes and villains, but never ultimate ones... (my opinion :)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max of the Magic Friends Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 In all of history? Hard to say, really. There's been a lot of horrible people. Almost everyone that's ever ruled the Iron Islands, for example, though I think the Red Kraken and Harren the Black deserve special mention. Assuming that the Bloodstone Emperor existed, he sounds like quite the jerk. The Valyrians were grade-A evil, no doubt about it. In the modern story, I'd definitely say that, discounting the Others, Littlefinger is the greatest villain. He singlehandedly orchestrated a civil war that killed tens if not hundreds of thousands of people, and will kill even more once winter comes in force. Gosh I despise him. Purest? Addam of Hull from the Dance of Dragons seems like a fantastic guy, as does Jaeheryrs the Conciliator. In recent years, I think Ned Stark and Ser Davos are probably the best, along with Brienne. They're great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser_kneeler Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Although this should be in 'general' I do want to weigh in and say that while I believe this series is a overarching and profound statement in moral-relativism and ultimately a deconstruction and refutation of the "good vs. evil" dichotomy I do believe- that there are some string-pulling masterminds to be revealed (not necessarily 'villains' but perhaps with agendas that have lead them to orchestrate this conflict for reasons they believe justified)- Benjen Stark is trouble- Tyrion has been going down an ever darker path and I believe he might ultimately turn out to be Martin's Walter White- The "ultimate threats" seem to be the opposing extremes of a frozen, all enveloping darkness and a blazing, all consuming flameWhy is Benjen trouble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barri_The_Bold Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Why is Benjen trouble? That's what I want to know, too. Most villainous to me are Littlefinger, Cersei and the Mountain. Most pure I'd say Sansa, although that's probably going to change very soon.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ryon Stark Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 The Mountain and others like him are just pawns. Tywin, Cersei, LF, and Varys are all schemers with dark agendas and horrible deeds but not really ultimate villains. I think the closest we have to an ultimate villain would be Euron Greyjoy, who raids the Reach and is poised to steal a dragon and reave Westeros for himself. He's basically a big dose of chaotic evil that horns in on all the careful plans of the schemers. Kinda like the Joker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barri_The_Bold Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 The Mountain and others like him are just pawns. Tywin, Cersei, LF, and Varys are all schemers with dark agendas and horrible deeds but not really ultimate villains. I think the closest we have to an ultimate villain would be Euron Greyjoy, who raids the Reach and is poised to steal a dragon and reave Westeros for himself. He's basically a big dose of chaotic evil that horns in on all the careful plans of the schemers. Kinda like the Joker. The Mounatin might not be a plotter, but he's just plain evil. Hurting his little brother badly because he played with his toy, raping a tavern girl of 12 or 13 (pretty young anyway) just for fun and basically just killing for fun. But Euron is a villain, too, I forgot about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marakesh Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I would say the true villain is Littlefinger. He's minor nobility, which is still better than most of Westeros, but he wants more. He's a charmer who can get many women, either rich and/or beautiful, but still is angry and ego-challenged because he didn't get Catelyn. He's what's wrong with his whole country: a self-entitled whiner who schemes and plots to get what he feels he deserves, and has no conscience about the consequences of those actions falling on the heads of the lower 99% of Westeros. Oddly enough, he seems one of the more popular characters here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krusty Kraken Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Ramsay Snow, it's hard to get any more evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SugarCrisp Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I don't know if he's the ultimate villian, but Euron Greyjoy might be the worst person. Possibly murdered one brother, slept with the wife of another, possibly child molested a third and could have hand in the death of his fourth brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBrightflameII Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Euron and Ramsey seem to be the most cruel and seem to delight in it.Roose Bolton, Littlefinger seem to be the most calculating.Varys... well he seems not to be such a bad guy he generally seemed to be sorry for some of his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The Lannisters specifically Tywin, Jaime, and CerseiSome Ironborn Balon and EuronSome Tagaryens like Maeger, Aerys, Aegon II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Petyr Baelish the perfumed seneschal and Roose Bolton . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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