ChillyPolly Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 AFFC, in Jaime's last chapter, has a reference to Jeyne's "narrow hips", which has given rise to certain theories. This reference is absent from certain editions, and present in others. Some claim the reference was "removed" from "recent" editions, implying that this is a deliberate revision by GRRM. It may not be that simple. The following editions contain the reference to "narrow hips": Bantam August 27 2006 Mass Market Paperback [per ChillyPolly]Bantam 2011 Mass Market Paperback [per ChillyPolly]Bantam 2011 Trade Paperback [per ChillyPolly]Bantam September, 2012 ebook 5 book bundle [per Ser ColdFingers] The following editions do not contain this reference Bantam November 2005 Hardback [per ChillyPolly]Bantam 2014 "Movie Tie In" Trade Paperback [per ChillyPolly] It seemed at least one very early edition (and reportedly, some foreign translations) do not contain the reference, in addition to some 2014 paperbacks. It seems merely that both versions are out there, with no indication as to which GRRM prefers. I'll continue to edit this, as people give me information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Cold Fingers Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 My eBook has narrow his.eBook ISBN: 978-0-345-53553-5v3.1_r5 It was the 5-book bundle via iTunes. AFfC, Chapter 44 - Jaime VII Jaime shoved the map aside. “Show them in.” At least the girl did not vanish too. Jeyne Westerling had been Robb Stark’s queen, the girl who cost him everything. With a wolf in her belly, she could have proved more dangerous than the Blackfish. She did not look dangerous. Jeyne was a willowy girl, no more than fifteen or sixteen, more awkward than graceful. She had narrow hips, breasts the size of apples, a mop of chestnut curls, and the soft brown eyes of a doe. Pretty enough for a child, Jaime decided, but not a girl to lose a kingdom for. Her face was puffy, and there was a scab on her forehead, half-hidden by a lock of brown hair. “What happened there?” he asked her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well we know that it was Jeyne and that she isn't pregnant so I don't see why it wouldn't simply be a revision. I personally thought it was another hint at Jaime falling for Brienne but maybe since people took it the wrong way he decided to pull it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well we know that it was Jeyne and that she isn't pregnant so I don't see why it wouldn't simply be a revision. I personally thought it was another hint at Jaime falling for Brienne but maybe since people took it the wrong way he decided to pull it out. Let's not debate the theories. I just want to find out which editions say what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 My edition does contain the hips discrepancy. Not sure which edition I have though. There was an ssm stating that the hips thing was a mistake or some such. Although I understand that there is some debate questioning the authenticity of that ssm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great and Mighty Poo Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 My ebook doesn't have the narrow hips it's just cut out. I haven't checked my hard or paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 There was an ssm stating that the hips thing was a mistake or some such. Although I understand that there is some debate questioning the authenticity of that ssm. I'm pretty sure there was no such SSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 My edition does contain the hips discrepancy. Not sure which edition I have though. There should be something behind the title page. I'm particularly interested in those who have hardbacks from 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 My edition does contain the hips discrepancy. Not sure which edition I have though. There was an ssm stating that the hips thing was a mistake or some such. Although I understand that there is some debate questioning the authenticity of that ssm. there was no debate. Grrm stated that he makes mistakes, Eye color is one, hips are another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm pretty sure there was no such SSM. No, there was. I wouldn't really say there was a debate as to it's authenticity, just some adherants to the "Jayne impostor" theory didn't want to believe it because it wasn't a direct quote from Martin. Many of the SMM's are paraprhases of things Martin has told people. I'm only aware of one instance of someone making stuff up and getting caught. http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/10068 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm pretty sure there was no such SSM. There should be something behind the title page. I'm particularly interested in those who have hardbacks from 2005. I'm talking about this ssm. I definitely don't have the hardcover version. I have a paperback and Ebook version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 there was no debate. Grrm stated that he makes mistakes, Eye color is one, hips are another Well actually there have been some posts/threads debating the authenticity of this ssm. Personally, I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm talking about this ssm. Oh, that. Well, we need not worry whether it is authentic or not because (as you would expect from GRRM) it is totally non-committal as reported. When asked about mismatches, he gives a general answer that says sometimes mismatches are clues, and sometimes they are mistakes, and the mistakes are unfortunate because he wants readers to be alert for clues and not just assume his words are wind. So are the hips mismatch a clue or a mistake? He doesn't say. He completely dodges the question, as it relates specifically to the hips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Oh, that. Well, we need not worry whether it is authentic or not because (as you would expect from GRRM) it is totally non-committal as reported. When asked about mismatches, he gives a general answer that says sometimes mismatches are clues, and sometimes they are mistakes, and the mistakes are unfortunate because he wants readers to be alert for clues and not just assume his words are wind. He does not say whether the hips are a mistake. He completely dodges the question, as it relates specifically to the hips. This is the debate I'm talking about. ;) When I get a chance I will check which versions I have. Not sure if you are interested in non-hardcover editions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 This is the debate I'm talking about. ;) When I get a chance I will check which versions I have. Not sure if you are interested in non-hardcover editions. I'll happily add it to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RumHam Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Oh, that. Well, we need not worry whether it is authentic or not because (as you would expect from GRRM) it is totally non-committal as reported. When asked about mismatches, he gives a general answer that says sometimes mismatches are clues, and sometimes they are mistakes, and the mistakes are unfortunate because he wants readers to be alert for clues and not just assume his words are wind. So are the hips mismatch a clue or a mistake? He doesn't say. He completely dodges the question, as it relates specifically to the hips. Uhh, read it again? When we approached the stage for signings we had the chance to ask a quick question, and he told me that that the hips were a mistake unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Uhh, read it again? Uh, okay, I missed that part. Still, I think it is at least arguable that it should be ignored, as book signings are for signing books, not for privately requesting extra private information that GRRM refused to provide in the public portion of his response. And yes, it is suspect for that reason too. But lets not get off track. I just want to know if there really is a pattern of the books being consistently revised in those copies which are "more recent". If there is, I am liable to give more weight to this report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Uh, okay, I missed that part. Still, I think it is at least arguable that it should be ignored, as book signings are for signing books, not for privately requesting extra private information that GRRM refused to provide in the public portion of his response. And yes, it is suspect for that reason too. But lets not get off track. I just want to know if there really is a pattern of the books being consistently revised in those copies which are "more recent". If there is, I am liable to give more weight to this report. Yeah. For the record he does normally accept quick questions when signing books. I remember him saying a lot of people make the mistake of wasting their quick question with "Can I ask you a question?" and he has to reply "you just did" to keep the line moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Yeah. For the record he does normally accept quick questions when signing books. I remember him saying a lot of people make the mistake of wasting their quick question with "Can I ask you a question?" and he has to reply "you just did" to keep the line moving. It is perfectly plausible that the information is correct. I'm just trying to see if the recent editions confirm it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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