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Ser Scot A Ellison

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I'm in the same boat as you, Scot. Mash and I thought it completely unnecessary.

This is a very timely thread as I just asked a question regarding this in a twin daddies group I'm a member of. Can someone help me out with the practical issues of uncircumcised peeing? Our boys are 3 1/2 now and because of the foreskin the pee seems to go in wild directions at times. They still sit on the toilet for the most part but even at that it's not uncommon for it to blast onto and ricochet from a thigh. Should it be retracted or do you just go with it?

Help! I joked with Mash that I'd have to go search for a You Tube video.

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Wait, what? they have to peel back the foreskin every single time they go? Sometimes we barely make it to the toilet on time, if we had to take the extra couple of seconds... this could be tricky, it will require re-training. Hmmm... why didn't anyone tell me this? They probably assumed their dad would know all about the mechanics of it....

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dT - From what I can gather Mum used to make Brother (and all the male children at nursery) hold their own and "poke" it down while peeing sitting on the toilet. There was no holding back the foreskin (at least not in the nursery since she couple touch them there, I don't know for certain what happened at home). If the child stops holding it in place then you are likely to get an uncontrolled shower.



This information all came when Mum told stories about us as kids and why brother name this "Wee wee pokers"





As to Circumcision - Its something that I will never do to my non-existent children (unless it was a needed medical procedure). Its not something I agree with. I even find it somewhat difficult to accept for infants from religious backgrounds, as I think the child should make that decision for themselves when they are old enough to make a choice.


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I was very surprised last month that the CDC issued a draft that would recommend circumcision for health benefits. The evidence seemed almost comical so I'm curious to see the final version of the recommendation.



Privately, I think of male circumcision as a form of child abuse. It's not something I'd voice to those around me unless I were in a group of like minded individuals. I don't feel strongly about it and don't think it should be made completely illegal. I accept that there are cultural and/or religious reasons people might want to do this even if I privately consider it abusive. When I hear of a friend who had a newborn boy and they mention they circumcised, I think "oh that's terrible" and then move on.



I do wish there was better education about how to care for the foreskin. When I go to google it, I run across a lot of stories where parents say that even pediatricians seem to be at a loss. A common scenario is a pediatrician examining a male newborn/infant and trying to pull the foreskin back too far and ending up ripping it from the penis. There are also a lot of questions like dalThor's that people have that they find aren't easily answered by medical professionals and so they turn to the internet, which is great. But it would be better if health providers were able to adequately educate about the foreskin.


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Wait, what? they have to peel back the foreskin every single time they go? Sometimes we barely make it to the toilet on time, if we had to take the extra couple of seconds... this could be tricky, it will require re-training. Hmmm... why didn't anyone tell me this? They probably assumed their dad would know all about the mechanics of it....

Practice makes perfect. :-)

The most important thing is making sure it's clean. And by that I mean peeling back the skin and cleaning it really good.

Peeling back keeps it pee-free and a nice stream.

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Wait, what? they have to peel back the foreskin every single time they go? Sometimes we barely make it to the toilet on time, if we had to take the extra couple of seconds... this could be tricky, it will require re-training. Hmmm... why didn't anyone tell me this? They probably assumed their dad would know all about the mechanics of it....

You just pull the foreskin back enough that it doesn't cover the hole at the end of the penis. Simple and easy.

You are grabbing the pecker anyway to keep it in place, just pull a bit back on that hand and you are good to go.

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You just pull the foreskin back enough that it doesn't cover the hole at the end of the penis. Simple and easy.

You are grabbing the pecker anyway to keep it in place, just pull a bit back on that hand and you are good to go.

Clearly we've been doing this wrong this whole time. I'm not holding their pecker and neither are they when they sit down and pee... they just let go.

Now I'm confused. I was so happy they're all potty trained and everything, do we get to start over?

ETA Sorry, Ser Scot, for hijacking your thread. :P

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I figured we'd be advised to pull it back.

Incidentally, we knew about the retract and clean thing. I don't know what parents did before the internetz. Thanks!

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Clearly we've been doing this wrong this whole time. I'm not holding their pecker and neither are they when they sit down and pee... they just let go.

Now I'm confused. I was so happy they're all potty trained and everything, do we get to start over?

ETA Sorry, Ser Scot, for hijacking your thread. :P

If they are sitting down it's MUCH less of an issue.

But yeah, you wouldn't just flick on a water hose and expect it to not flop around. When they are standing up peeing it's a good idea. Especially for kids who are likely to make a spray-y mess.

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Clearly we've been doing this wrong this whole time. I'm not holding their pecker and neither are they when they sit down and pee... they just let go.

Now I'm confused. I was so happy they're all potty trained and everything, do we get to start over?

ETA Sorry, Ser Scot, for hijacking your thread. :P

If they sit down, it might be enough to just hold it down, without actually holding it, but you might as well start to peel back the foreskin now. When they start peeing standing, holding the penis, and peeling back the foreskin is necessary.

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Scot, I think it would be a good idea to post a link to here in the other thread.





Peel back, always. Otherwise some of the pee stays inside and it gets smelly. You also have to completely clean it daily or it can lead to infection and ultimately circumcision.




This never even occurred to me and it seems that, even ignoring any traditional or health reasons, it's worth it just for the sake of ease while peeing and washing. I've never had to worry about pee getting caught and getting infected, and I'm glad I haven't.



When it first came up in the other thread, I was taken aback that circumcision was being condemned. Everyone I know, for the most part, is circumcised. I never thought to question it. After thinking about it, I stand by my parents' decision, and, unless my future wife is vehemently against it, I plan on having any future sons circumcised.


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This never even occurred to me and it seems that, even ignoring any traditional or health reasons, it's worth it just for the sake of ease while peeing and washing. I've never had to worry about pee getting caught and getting infected, and I'm glad I haven't.

This is the stupidest reason to cut off a chunk of a person's penis I have ever heard.

When it first came up in the other thread, I was taken aback that circumcision was being condemned. Everyone I know, for the most part, is circumcised. I never thought to question it. After thinking about it, I stand by my parents' decision, and, unless my future wife is vehemently against it, I plan on having any future sons circumcised.

Why?

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For some men, the skin doesn't glide back from the glans easily at an early age because the separation can take a few years to complete. So there is a chance that peeling back to urinate can be a challenge. That said, you do not have to peel back completely during urination, just enough to fully expose the urethral opening.

Good luck. :-)

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Clearly we've been doing this wrong this whole time. I'm not holding their pecker and neither are they when they sit down and pee... they just let go.

Now I'm confused. I was so happy they're all potty trained and everything, do we get to start over?

ETA Sorry, Ser Scot, for hijacking your thread. :P

Even when I'm sitting down, I still need to use my hands to make sure the streams directed downwards.

Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSWbTv3hng

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All this pulling back and washing every time seems a little bit over the top. Foreskins have been around a lot longer than circumcision has and there is no evidence of rampant penile infections throughout history. From personal experience I can tell you that pulling the foreskin back was rather hard to do until my teen years. I guess I started getting more practice then. Now zippers. Zippers are not my friend. Again from personal experience.


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For some men, the skin doesn't glide back from the glans easily at an early age because the separation can take a few years to complete. So there is a chance that peeling back to urinate can be a challenge. That said, you do not have to peel back completely during urination, just enough to fully expose the urethral opening.

Good luck. :-)

Yeah, that's the case with A. right now. His pediatrician isn't worried, he just said we should keep doing what we've been doing, peeling back gently during baths as far as it goes and cleaning thoroughly.

I need to point out that circumcision is not a common thing here in Greece and we weren't even asked about circumcising the boys, but if this had been an issue I'm fairly positive both of us would have answered No. It's a form of mutilation. If they are really concerned about it and want something different, then they can make that decision for themselves when they are old enough.

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