Khal Drogo vs Edmure Tully in full plate armor

[Ser Greenseer]

Wasn't Syrio also armed with a stick against a Kingsguard member who was atleast a skilled fighter?

I don't think Meryn Trant was ever considered a skilled fighter. Whether being armed with a stick or an arakh it does not matter, no sword will cut a man in armor.

[Ser Greenseer]

if syrio had an actual weapon it would have easily been his victory.

and while a Arakh can't cut though plate (hell normal sword's don't cut though plate) it can sure as hell find an opening at the joint's.

The problem is that the openings are still covered by mail, and an arakh isn't a thrusting weapon so it will not be able to puncture the chainmail.

The only way Drogo wins this fight is if he gets really lucky and can either get him through the visor or be lucky enough to find an opening and grapple with him and from their he can stab him in the face.

[Hand to King Davos]

Drogo. And its not a contest.

Bronn v. Vardis Egen is Exhibit A.

Jorah v. Drogo's bloodrider (don't remember his name) is actually Exhibit B. Jorah barely won, and he has much more experience as a fighter than Edmure, not to mention more experience fighting Dothraki.

Oberyn v. Gregor is Exhibit C. Skill and speed beats strength and plate, again.

[Hand to King Davos]

I don't think Meryn Trant was ever considered a skilled fighter. Whether being armed with a stick or an arakh it does not matter, no sword will cut a man in armor.

Neither will a spear, but Oberyn still beat Gregor.

[Victarion10]

The problem is that the openings are still covered by mail, and an arakh isn't a thrusting weapon so it will not be able to puncture the chainmail.

The only way Drogo wins this fight is if he gets really lucky and can either get him through the visor or be lucky enough to find an opening and grapple with him and from their he can stab him in the face.

Drogo could easily slip his guard and slash at the backs of his knees, or he could just use the sword and smash Edmure across the head which will most likely knock him off balance or concuss him.

[EastTymor]

if syrio had an actual weapon it would have easily been his victory.

and while a Arakh can't cut though plate (hell normal sword's don't cut though plate) it can sure as hell find an opening at the joint's.

Yes, but Edmure doesn't have to screw around with finding openings in Drogo's armor, because he doesn't any. As soon as Drogo steps within range and stabs Edmure in the elbow or whatever, Edmure can stab him in the chest. Sure, he runs the risk of dying of infection later, but he wins the duel.

Armor is a huge advantage. It means Edmure does not have to be as fast or as skilled as Drogo to win.

For Drogo to win, he needs to

1) identify a weak point in Edmure's armor

2) get close enough to stab Edmure with sufficient force to break the weak spot in the armor or slide the blade through a gap in the armor

3) penetrate whatever chain mail or gambleson Edmure has underneath his plate

4) do this quickly enough that Edmure never has a chance to counterattack

In contrast, all Edmure needs to do is

1) hit Drogo, almost anywhere.

[Hand to King Davos]

Yes, but Edmure doesn't have to screw around with finding openings in Drogo's armor, because he doesn't any. As soon as Drogo steps within range and stabs Edmure in the elbow or whatever, Edmure can stab him in the chest. Sure, he runs the risk of dying of infection later, but he wins the duel.

Armor is a huge advantage. It means Edmure does not have to be as fast or as skilled as Drogo to win.

For Drogo to win, he needs to

1) identify a weak point in Edmure's armor

2) get close enough to stab Edmure with sufficient force to break the weak spot in the armor or slide the blade through a gap in the armor

3) penetrate whatever chain mail or gambleson Edmure has underneath his plate

4) do this quickly enough that Edmure never has a chance to counterattack

In contrast, all Edmure needs to do is

1) hit Drogo, almost anywhere.

This is true. But Edmure is never mentioned as a great warrior, whereas Drogo is arguably the greatest we have seen. Remember Oberyn and Gregor? Who won that match, the armor or the speed?

[Good Guy Garlan]

Edmure wins by being super nice and sheltering and feeding Drogo's people, and in exchange they tear Drogo apart limb by limb and declare Edmure the New Khal/Stallion That Mounts The World ;)

[EastTymor]

This is true. But Edmure is never mentioned as a great warrior, whereas Drogo is arguably the greatest we have seen. Remember Oberyn and Gregor? Who won that match, the armor or the speed?

Oberyn was extremely dead at the end of that match, while the Mountain was not.

The counterargument there is that Oberyn was the better fighter, but lost because he became rash and and careless once he caught the scent of victory. Drogo strikes me as the type to come into the fight rash and careless, not to mention arrogant. He might be good enough to stick his arakh through Edmure's visor. Or he might pull a Khraz and completely fail to adjust his fighting style account for his opponents armor.

[Hand to King Davos]

Oberyn was extremely dead at the end of that match, while the Mountain was not.

The counterargument there is that Oberyn was the better fighter, but lost because he became rash and and careless once he caught the scent of victory. Drogo strikes me as the type to come into the fight rash and careless, not to mention arrogant. He might be good enough to stick his arakh through Edmure's visor. Or he might pull a Khraz and completely fail to adjust his fighting style account for his opponents armor.

Oberyn won the fight. He lost the wrestling match.

Drogo doesn't have the need to pull an Inigo Montoya on Edmure.

[The silver dragon]

Oberyn was extremely dead at the end of that match, while the Mountain was not.

The counterargument there is that Oberyn was the better fighter, but lost because he became rash and and careless once he caught the scent of victory. Drogo strikes me as the type to come into the fight rash and careless, not to mention arrogant. He might be good enough to stick his arakh through Edmure's visor. Or he might pull a Khraz and completely fail to adjust his fighting style account for his opponents armor.

when drogo was younger he fought sell-word's. so i don't think he's necessarily inexperienced when it comes to plate.

[Lion of the West]

Do we even know how well Edmure fight? Being kind does not mean a weak physice.

[TheNinjaDC]

On foot, Edmure. People really don't comprehend how much of an advantage plate is. And against popular belief it is not that heavy. People do cartwheels in them for goodness sake! Edmure being castle born and raised by a man at arms is likely decent enough to take advantage of his near invulnerability to take out Drogo.

On horse, Drogo, no contest. Drogo is a master at mounted fighting, in a society that revolves around it. Add to this his horse archery skills, and spear & horse (which can pierce plate). He would likely take out Edmure horse, then take him out.

[The silver dragon]

On foot, Edmure. People really don't comprehend how much of an advantage plate is. And against popular belief it is not that heavy. People do cartwheels in them for goodness sake! Edmure being castle born and raised by a man at arms is likely decent enough to take advantage of his near invulnerability to take out Drogo.

On horse, Drogo, no contest. Drogo is a master at mounted fighting, in a society that revolves around it. Add to this his horse archery skills, and spear & horse (which can pierce plate). He would likely take out Edmure horse, then take him out.

t's not about it being heavy (it has to be light enough to march in). it's about it being unwieldy.

1.) it block some of your vision, a plate helmet Rob's a person of his peripheral vision.

2.) you cant jump out of the way of attack as well as you normally would. as a knight would primarily relies on his shield to stop attack's

(the op never said edmure get's a shield.)

3.) knight begin training as a squire at around 12. drogo was being trained for war at a far younger age, and thus has league's of more experience on edmure.

the mountain had practical unstoppable defense and Oberyn made him look like a bitch.

skill,speed and experience> better armor.

[TimJames]

Drogo could probably shoot Edmure's horse out from under him. That's how the Mongols defeated European Knights in real life.

[PrinceHenryris]

Oberyn and Bronn did wear armor, it was just lighter than their opponents. Drogo is completely without armor or even a shield.

Edmure wouldn't be my choice as champion against Drogo, but he's a trained knight, and as the son of a Great Lord probably has some of the best armor gold can buy.

On foot, Edmure's chances rely on how cautious he is. If he fights cautiously and defensively, he has a chance. To me, the arakh doesn't seem like the weapon of choice against plate. If he fights aggressively, Drogo's too fast and experienced.

On horse, it's a question of whether or not Dothraki bows can penetrate plate. If they can, it's a squash for Drogo. If not, then it gets interesting. Will Drogo try and use his undoubtedly superior horsemanship to maneuver around Edmure or will he charge straight into Edmure's lance?

[Pod The Impaler]

we saw what a lightly armored Bronn was able to do in his trial by combat representing Tyrion, and I'd imagine that Drogo is a better fighter than Bronn, and faster. Drogo 100 times out of 100.

Yup.

Sorry Edmure. He'd take advantage of your weak spots, primarily the one between your ears.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

Edmure, and it will be barely a contest.

His plate will be all scratched up, but he'll escape with some bruises while Drogo is dead.

OK, lets start from the assumption he's average. I think an average fighter in armor beats Khal Drogo.

Critically, Drogo has no armor of his own and no weapon that can pierce or crush plate armor. Basically he needs to wait for an opportunity to stick his arakh through Edmure's visor or some similarly vulnerable area. An average fighter should be able to avoid giving him that opportunity long enough to slash or stab Drogo somewhere crippling.

He can't stick his arakh in Edmure. It's curved. Stabbing into the vulnerable areas is not possible.

Drogo's never lost a fight in his life and most Essosi warriors are armored, though not like knights, still Drogo wins with low to mid difficulty

Well, considering that the Dothraki haven't fought any non-Dothraki enemies for generations...

2.) you cant jump out of the way of attack as well as you normally would. as a knight would primarily relies on his shield to stop attack's

(the op never said edmure get's a shield.)

3.) knight begin training as a squire at around 12. drogo was being trained for war at a far younger age, and thus has league's of more experience on edmure.

2) Not with plate. The shield was phased out because it became redundant.

3) No. Being a squire means being old enough to go to battle and gather real experience, not starting the training. Bran or Tommen for example had already several years training when they sparred at Winterfell.

On horse, it's a question of whether or not Dothraki bows can penetrate plate. If they can, it's a squash for Drogo. If not, then it gets interesting. Will Drogo try and use his undoubtedly superior horsemanship to maneuver around Edmure or will he charge straight into Edmure's lance?

No bow can. Not even a longbow shot by an infantryman unless shot from less than 10 m with a perfect 90° angle, a lot of luck and penetrating just deep enough to scratch the skin. Drogo could shoot a thousand arrows into Edmure and achieve nothing at all.

[Berkilak]

Yup.

Sorry Edmure. He'd take advantage of your weak spots, primarily the one between your ears.

Bronn had experience with plate-laden fighters. Drogo doesn't.

[Ser Arthur Hightower]

IRL Edmure would win way more than 50% of the time, it simply isn't feasible that someone who has never trained against armour and doesn't have any kind of anti-armour weaponry to defeat someone in plate armour without even basic fabric armour. The fact is often the first person to get a moderate cut will generally lose.

Edmure won't be taking any cuts since he's got plate armour.

He doesn't need a shield because he had got plate armour.

He won't be taking hits in the joint because the arakh isn't designed for that.

He can dodge and parry, he can move his arms just fine, he likely won't have his visor down, evidence suggests the visor was up for most of the time, only being lowered when facing massed archers.

Plate vs unarmoured is like AK-47 vs musket, yes it is always possible the musketeer is much more skilled and will kill in one hit, but almost always the guy with the AK-47 will win even if his accuracy/reaction time is much weaker than his opponent.

However in Martin-verse which unfortunately is only loosely based on reality, unarmoured gets a big up, I still don't think Edmure would fail badly, especially since in the last 2 books Martin seems to have improved his understanding of how armour effects the course of a battle, but yes in canon I accept Edmure would probably lose.